Well the problem about the US is that it has a first past the post system, which makes it incredibly difficult for third-parties to gain any influence. And just like the US or the UK, that also applies to Canada. So yeah, the same thing about only voting for one of these making sense does apply to you.
Technically, the US also has more than two parties.
We have first past the post too. But there are a shit ton of ridings, including mine, where the liberals are absolutely not viable, but the NDP are, so if you’re going to vote for the liberals you might as well be voting conservative. That’s how it works here.
That’s not how it works. If the conservatives can’t get a majority, the liberals can form a minority government with the NDP or greens. This is what our government currently looks like and it got us dental healthcare. Minority governments can be very effective at creating social change, especially when most Canadians have to be dragged kicking and screaming into policies that benefit them.
Ok, you are telling me the most basic shit like it’s news. I know what a minority government is, I just don’t think the NDP has done anything worthy and the Green party is a wreck, so I think most seats will go either blue or red with the bloc being the only party that might have a chance in hell of pulling enough seats to play spoiler and become the swing votes in Parliament.
See Parliament after the 2006 election, except replace Jack Layton with Singh, i.e. maybe two seats of they’re lucky
He’s explaining basic shit to you because what you’re saying makes people think you need basic shit explained to you. He wasn’t even being a dick about it. I have no such qualms about being a dick.
Also given the projected seats right now, your “point” about “strategic voting” just makes you seem kind of dumb. The only Green candidate worth a damn is Clancy, polling behind the Liberal party in her riding, and the party of Tommy Douglas is looking at six MPs or less.
It’s a two horse race and it’s looking like it will not be close, so whether you vote for Santa Claus or your grandad, there will be three recognized parties at the most post-election, LPC, CPC and BQ, and the latter two almost certainly won’t have the votes to make a difference anyway.
Understand that in some ridings, like mine, the liberal candidate is not fucking viable because the only candidates people have ever voted for by a large margin are conservative or NDP. My riding gets like 1% tops liberal vote. So if I vote liberal here, I might as well be voting conservative because there is zero chance the liberal will get in here. This is such simple shit that I have second hand embarrassment for you for having to explain this.
Oh, I understand, I also understand that no NDP ridings are safe, no Green ridings are safe, and the BQ will almost certainly be the swing vote of either the Conservatives or Liberals gain a minority.
So there are three options:
Liberal majority
Liberal minority where Quebec has oversize influence
Conservative minority where Quebec has oversize influence
I would not be surprised in the least if the only seat to go Green is May’s, and I wouldn’t even bet on that. I would not take for granted that Singh holds his seat either, and I would predict maybe two or three will hold on.
This one will be polarizing, and I think this one will be a two-horse race with Quebec taking third and precious little left over for anyone else.
I fully understand Canadian politics, but whatever hot take “strategic voting” opinion you have is meaningless if the ridings are polarized. There is a reason the NDP is dropping to the brink of non-party status. They aren’t going to be an option for anyone’s “strategic vote”. That works occasionally but this is not one of those years. For the vast majority of the country, it’ll be red, blue, or a wasted ballot, even in traditional NDP or Green ridings.
And you’re basing this on “I have a feeling” because there is not any hard data on this and I’m going to assume you aren’t psychic. And if you try to say polls to me when they’ve been comically wrong and biased in every election in Canada since, like, 2000, I’m just going to assume you are a moron and not worth talking to further.
Either way you slice it, throwing a vote at the NDP or Greens and staying home to file your nails is about the same thing. Your vote could help the NDP to… lose official party status, or if your heroic strategy fails the CPC will have a pointless number of seats anyway because they are about to be obliterated by the Liberal Party. I know I know, it’s exhausting that your point has to be re-explained yet again, right?
Also, speaking of embarrassing, saying that polls are not to be trusted while also saying that you should vote for a third party because the polls say they might win in your riding is a hilarious bit of cognitive dissonance. Thank you for brightening a drab Monday morning with that.
Singh really shat the bed in the past few months. Attacking the prime minister when we’re under attack from the US? That kind of infighting in the face of adversity is an ugly look. It’s really too bad because Singh made some amazing progress in social democracy and social welfare, he was a tough negotiator and an excellent strategist for years. He picked a bad time to lose the ball. They need a new leader, it’s too bad they’re going to lose a fuck ton of seats to get there.
Attacking the prime minister when we’re under attack from the US?
Do you mean when the vote of no confidence happened? Because I remember that happening before Trump’s term. And either way—and I have to note I’m talking about the principle of the thing here as I don’t know enough about Canadian politics to have an opinion on Singh—one thing you and most other anglophone left-leaning people should realize is that trying to force unity where it doesn’t exist is a recipe for disaster. Of course a time of crisis requires prudence, but sometimes you do have to clean house before you can get anything done. And that aside, Singh has constituents he’s beholden to; he’s not running off game theory either. You might disagree with his remarks (again, I don’t know enough about Canadian politics to have an opinion on this) but I doubt he “shat the bed” just because he was critical of Trudeau.
No that’s not what I’m talking about, it’s hardly even relevant since as you said it was before Trump.
There was no successful vote of non confidence… Just the conservatives putting on a show knowing they didn’t have the votes. Singh promised to topple the government on the next vote, but Parliament wasn’t in session, so he didn’t have the chance. The liberals called an election robbing Singh of the chance to topple government.
I’m talking about after the tariff war started. Singh is part of the government. Right now it’s a minority Liberal government, the only reason we’re in that position is that Singh agreed to ally with the government in exchange for concessions, which was excellent statesmanship and fighting for the average Canadian. When Trump announced tariffs Singh was attacking the liberals more than the cons did. To fight against your allies at a time of crisis is in poor taste. You might not think that’s in poor taste but there was an IMMEDIATE cratering of NDP support so Canadians CLEARLY think it’s in poor taste. They went from 24 seats to polling as low as 3. Sure polls aren’t everything, but they do tell you what Canadians think of his decisions.
I’d say going from 24 seats to 3 is “shat the bed” and I only hope one of those 3 is my riding.
Yeah that’s not how strategic voting works in Canada at all. That rhetoric was stupid in the US, but it’s extra mega ultra fucking stupid to try and say in a Canadian election. If you’re going to vote against your morals to stop the conservatives or whatever you’re insinuating you have to look at your ridings and vote accordingly.
Not the only two options and I wish people would stop pretending they are. We aren’t the fucking US, we don’t have a two party system.
Problem is you have to strategically vote in your riding or else you’re throwing away a vote. Luckily I live in Saanich so I can vote greens.
Well the problem about the US is that it has a first past the post system, which makes it incredibly difficult for third-parties to gain any influence. And just like the US or the UK, that also applies to Canada. So yeah, the same thing about only voting for one of these making sense does apply to you.
Technically, the US also has more than two parties.
We have first past the post too. But there are a shit ton of ridings, including mine, where the liberals are absolutely not viable, but the NDP are, so if you’re going to vote for the liberals you might as well be voting conservative. That’s how it works here.
Right, I’ll take your bets on NDP, BQ or Green winning the election.
That’s not how it works. If the conservatives can’t get a majority, the liberals can form a minority government with the NDP or greens. This is what our government currently looks like and it got us dental healthcare. Minority governments can be very effective at creating social change, especially when most Canadians have to be dragged kicking and screaming into policies that benefit them.
Ok, you are telling me the most basic shit like it’s news. I know what a minority government is, I just don’t think the NDP has done anything worthy and the Green party is a wreck, so I think most seats will go either blue or red with the bloc being the only party that might have a chance in hell of pulling enough seats to play spoiler and become the swing votes in Parliament.
See Parliament after the 2006 election, except replace Jack Layton with Singh, i.e. maybe two seats of they’re lucky
He’s explaining basic shit to you because what you’re saying makes people think you need basic shit explained to you. He wasn’t even being a dick about it. I have no such qualms about being a dick.
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Also given the projected seats right now, your “point” about “strategic voting” just makes you seem kind of dumb. The only Green candidate worth a damn is Clancy, polling behind the Liberal party in her riding, and the party of Tommy Douglas is looking at six MPs or less.
It’s a two horse race and it’s looking like it will not be close, so whether you vote for Santa Claus or your grandad, there will be three recognized parties at the most post-election, LPC, CPC and BQ, and the latter two almost certainly won’t have the votes to make a difference anyway.
Understand that in some ridings, like mine, the liberal candidate is not fucking viable because the only candidates people have ever voted for by a large margin are conservative or NDP. My riding gets like 1% tops liberal vote. So if I vote liberal here, I might as well be voting conservative because there is zero chance the liberal will get in here. This is such simple shit that I have second hand embarrassment for you for having to explain this.
That’s not how our voting system works. Why do so many Canadians comically not understand how our voting system works?
Oh, I understand, I also understand that no NDP ridings are safe, no Green ridings are safe, and the BQ will almost certainly be the swing vote of either the Conservatives or Liberals gain a minority.
So there are three options:
Liberal majority Liberal minority where Quebec has oversize influence Conservative minority where Quebec has oversize influence
I would not be surprised in the least if the only seat to go Green is May’s, and I wouldn’t even bet on that. I would not take for granted that Singh holds his seat either, and I would predict maybe two or three will hold on.
This one will be polarizing, and I think this one will be a two-horse race with Quebec taking third and precious little left over for anyone else.
Okay so you don’t understand what I was saying or how this whole thing works. This is absolutely exhausting.
I fully understand Canadian politics, but whatever hot take “strategic voting” opinion you have is meaningless if the ridings are polarized. There is a reason the NDP is dropping to the brink of non-party status. They aren’t going to be an option for anyone’s “strategic vote”. That works occasionally but this is not one of those years. For the vast majority of the country, it’ll be red, blue, or a wasted ballot, even in traditional NDP or Green ridings.
And you’re basing this on “I have a feeling” because there is not any hard data on this and I’m going to assume you aren’t psychic. And if you try to say polls to me when they’ve been comically wrong and biased in every election in Canada since, like, 2000, I’m just going to assume you are a moron and not worth talking to further.
Either way you slice it, throwing a vote at the NDP or Greens and staying home to file your nails is about the same thing. Your vote could help the NDP to… lose official party status, or if your heroic strategy fails the CPC will have a pointless number of seats anyway because they are about to be obliterated by the Liberal Party. I know I know, it’s exhausting that your point has to be re-explained yet again, right?
Also, speaking of embarrassing, saying that polls are not to be trusted while also saying that you should vote for a third party because the polls say they might win in your riding is a hilarious bit of cognitive dissonance. Thank you for brightening a drab Monday morning with that.
No, I did not say the polls, I said that they get 1% of the vote here every election. Reading comprehension isn’t your thing, is it?
Or, you can vote green or NDP and throw away your vote.
NDP has 24 seats in the house of commons so they’re winning some elections.
Singh really shat the bed in the past few months. Attacking the prime minister when we’re under attack from the US? That kind of infighting in the face of adversity is an ugly look. It’s really too bad because Singh made some amazing progress in social democracy and social welfare, he was a tough negotiator and an excellent strategist for years. He picked a bad time to lose the ball. They need a new leader, it’s too bad they’re going to lose a fuck ton of seats to get there.
My NDP candidate is amazing, I hope they win.
Do you mean when the vote of no confidence happened? Because I remember that happening before Trump’s term. And either way—and I have to note I’m talking about the principle of the thing here as I don’t know enough about Canadian politics to have an opinion on Singh—one thing you and most other anglophone left-leaning people should realize is that trying to force unity where it doesn’t exist is a recipe for disaster. Of course a time of crisis requires prudence, but sometimes you do have to clean house before you can get anything done. And that aside, Singh has constituents he’s beholden to; he’s not running off game theory either. You might disagree with his remarks (again, I don’t know enough about Canadian politics to have an opinion on this) but I doubt he “shat the bed” just because he was critical of Trudeau.
No that’s not what I’m talking about, it’s hardly even relevant since as you said it was before Trump.
There was no successful vote of non confidence… Just the conservatives putting on a show knowing they didn’t have the votes. Singh promised to topple the government on the next vote, but Parliament wasn’t in session, so he didn’t have the chance. The liberals called an election robbing Singh of the chance to topple government.
I’m talking about after the tariff war started. Singh is part of the government. Right now it’s a minority Liberal government, the only reason we’re in that position is that Singh agreed to ally with the government in exchange for concessions, which was excellent statesmanship and fighting for the average Canadian. When Trump announced tariffs Singh was attacking the liberals more than the cons did. To fight against your allies at a time of crisis is in poor taste. You might not think that’s in poor taste but there was an IMMEDIATE cratering of NDP support so Canadians CLEARLY think it’s in poor taste. They went from 24 seats to polling as low as 3. Sure polls aren’t everything, but they do tell you what Canadians think of his decisions.
I’d say going from 24 seats to 3 is “shat the bed” and I only hope one of those 3 is my riding.
Yeah that’s not how strategic voting works in Canada at all. That rhetoric was stupid in the US, but it’s extra mega ultra fucking stupid to try and say in a Canadian election. If you’re going to vote against your morals to stop the conservatives or whatever you’re insinuating you have to look at your ridings and vote accordingly.