I’m not seeking to defend FPTP, butf the two party system is inevitable, how come the UK has 393 political parties? It’s true that one of two parties usually wins, but against that backdrop, the SNP was able to flourish in Scotland.
In America you literally have Republican, Democratic parties and Independents.
It is not inevitable but it certainly isn’t a good system for the modern age.
I don’t care to defend that point. The point I am focused on is Guillotine Party.
Whether we eliminate FPTP or not; whether we develop a third party or not, the leadership and BillionaireProblem Class needs to be removed from all parties.
I would guess it’s because the size and complexity of the country, coupled with both sides cracking down hard on ballot access to third parties does that.
I don’t know much about UK elections, but from what I see on Wikipedia it deploys different voting systems and even fptp is really a fptp system + party list so not exactly the same.
In US there truly is just a single election where you give a single vote for the candidate and whomever gets more votes wins.
Yes, there are primary elections too, but those aren’t real elections, they are elections run by the parties to pick up their candidate. They actually could not hold election and just pick up the candidate themselves and that’s what they often do for a second term.
The way it works with FPTP in US is that it naturally forces two parties, as you generally are forced to vote against someone and not for someone. This is because of there are two good candidates and one bad, the vote splits and the bad candidate wins due to spoiler effect. So people try to predict which candidates will likely win and vote for the lesser evil.
So no one in 3rd party has any chance, and generally most of the times the people who are running 3rd party are just pathetic.
Sometimes when a serious candidate runs in 3rd party it generally spoils for the candidate with similar views. That’s how Bill Clinton won against HW Bush
The SNP flourished in Scotland because the Scottish parliament has a proportional representation system (ironically chosen to keep the SNP out of power). Their success in the Scottish Parliament helped get them when contesting FPTP in Westminster.
Some parts of those governments do have proportional representation (like Scottish Parliment where the SNP has the most representation).
Other than that, I would guess there are a lot of small reasons… like differences in structure/operation/rules, that recall elections are a thing, larger gov’t bodies, and election frequency. From the outside, I’d also guess that some of these parties do/have held power for a while until they mess things up and the voters switch it out.
Also a lot of the issue here is with US presidency, and the electoral college cements it even further. That is where it is the biggest inevitability as it’s a big race that largely decides the next 4 years (also a partisan senate and house can enable or stall legislature, also how the right stacked the supreme court).
This is also a long-term imbalance (as shown by the video I linked) that intensifies over time. Other systems having different factors may be what prevented it from being a huge issue there, and it probably helps that they are older/more-stable (and less individualistic) countries.
I’m not seeking to defend FPTP, butf the two party system is inevitable, how come the UK has 393 political parties? It’s true that one of two parties usually wins, but against that backdrop, the SNP was able to flourish in Scotland. In America you literally have Republican, Democratic parties and Independents. It is not inevitable but it certainly isn’t a good system for the modern age.
I don’t care to defend that point. The point I am focused on is Guillotine Party.
Whether we eliminate FPTP or not; whether we develop a third party or not, the leadership and
BillionaireProblem Class needs to be removed from all parties.I would guess it’s because the size and complexity of the country, coupled with both sides cracking down hard on ballot access to third parties does that.
I don’t know much about UK elections, but from what I see on Wikipedia it deploys different voting systems and even fptp is really a fptp system + party list so not exactly the same.
In US there truly is just a single election where you give a single vote for the candidate and whomever gets more votes wins.
Yes, there are primary elections too, but those aren’t real elections, they are elections run by the parties to pick up their candidate. They actually could not hold election and just pick up the candidate themselves and that’s what they often do for a second term.
The way it works with FPTP in US is that it naturally forces two parties, as you generally are forced to vote against someone and not for someone. This is because of there are two good candidates and one bad, the vote splits and the bad candidate wins due to spoiler effect. So people try to predict which candidates will likely win and vote for the lesser evil.
So no one in 3rd party has any chance, and generally most of the times the people who are running 3rd party are just pathetic.
Sometimes when a serious candidate runs in 3rd party it generally spoils for the candidate with similar views. That’s how Bill Clinton won against HW Bush
The SNP flourished in Scotland because the Scottish parliament has a proportional representation system (ironically chosen to keep the SNP out of power). Their success in the Scottish Parliament helped get them when contesting FPTP in Westminster.
Some parts of those governments do have proportional representation (like Scottish Parliment where the SNP has the most representation).
Other than that, I would guess there are a lot of small reasons… like differences in structure/operation/rules, that recall elections are a thing, larger gov’t bodies, and election frequency. From the outside, I’d also guess that some of these parties do/have held power for a while until they mess things up and the voters switch it out.
Also a lot of the issue here is with US presidency, and the electoral college cements it even further. That is where it is the biggest inevitability as it’s a big race that largely decides the next 4 years (also a partisan senate and house can enable or stall legislature, also how the right stacked the supreme court).
This is also a long-term imbalance (as shown by the video I linked) that intensifies over time. Other systems having different factors may be what prevented it from being a huge issue there, and it probably helps that they are older/more-stable (and less individualistic) countries.