Depends on the location. I know lots of hard working individuals who hold good jobs in all kinds of different settings that have tattoos. I am Canadian however so I live in a society that doesn’t judge others so harshly for personal decisions that only affect themselves.
I feel like face tattoos are judged too harshly at one point in time all tattoos were judged as harshly as face tattoos are now. All of it is arbitrary who cares if someone chose to get a tattoo on their face?
I wish people could do what they want to their bodies without judgment but I don’t see that ever happening.
People change throughout their entire lives, and ideas that seemed effin’ cool when we were young and pretty, well, maybe they felt less cool as we sobered up and aged. I think most of us can relate to the feeling that once or twice, the younger version of ourselves sure was a goddamned idiot who made some dumbass decisions that made our future life twice as hard as it needed to be.
But yeah, nothing screams cool like a 50+ year old with face tattoos.
why judge them for it though? as long as the tattoo itself isn’t hateful or something I don’t really care about what or where they get tattooed. If they regret their tattoo its still their choice to do what they want with their bodies. what if they don’t regret it? we all make bad choices sometimes but there are a lot worse things you can do than get a bad tattoo.
But then I don’t get to judge other people for their decisions that have no effect on me whatsoever. How would I make myself feel better about my terrible existence?
I just hit 50 this past year. I am old now. No work to answer to. I have an appointment for a face tattoo in the next while. I already have hand and high neck tattoos. I’m glad you hate the idea. It makes me happy. I despise bigots.
While I’d never do something like that, I can see his point. Sometimes the only way forward is to burn your bridges.
Also, all this talk about face tattoos reminds me of one of the all time great science fiction novels, “The Stars My Destination,” by Alfred Bester. One of the subplots is that the hero gets tattoos that make it easy for his enemies to find him.
I would actually not care nor measure that into my judgment.
At one particular time in their life, this felt like a great idea to them. We didn’t live their life, we can’t know. It might even make up for a great story to tell.
And on top of that: I see no difference to make-up, except it’s permanent. Women paint their faces like they’re applying to Clowns college and noone bats an eye. A nice face-tattoo is just more plainly identifieable as paint than good makeup is.
Not talking about a swastika or other stupid messages of course. If you portrait stupid messages I’m forced to deduct you’re stupid.
So many decisions are permanent. Philosophically speaking, every decicsson is. If you decide to get that burito later you will forever be the person that decided to get that burito in that decision.
Someone decides to go to college and spends 5 years there. That is forever. They can decide to go into a different profession of course or get a second degree in something else but those 5 years are gone.
And that decision should be mutch mutch mutch more relevant to somebody hiring you that a cosmetic decision.
And yet we say to children that they can change their courses and degrees if they are not right but we say a tatoo is a mark against you forever.
Its 100% prejudice from a time when tattoos were (in western society) mainly related to gang association. A point that is 0% relevant today.
Yes, from a philosophical standpoint, even the water I just drank was a permanent decision.
But face tattoos are a permanent change to your appearance that you KNOW you might be discriminated against for AND can’t cover up so making that decision implies that you don’t consider potential negative future effects of your actions, or don’t care.
You can absolutely cover up face tattoos. It’s even easier in colder climates. Also, and I know it’s a bit of a reach, but coming out publicly is a permanent change that you know you might be discriminated against for. Should everyone stay in the closet because it brings fewer negative future effects?
Let people do what makes them happy, after all, it doesn’t hurt anyone (except themselves for a bit while getting it).
I don’t see much of a difference. Besides the obvious physical one of course.
You have paint on your face right now, whatever kind it might be. Maybe it’s a message, maybe you’re dumb, maybe you’ve made a big mistake at some time, maybe not. But should I care? Are you good people or a mean piece of human garbage? That is what counts (to me). You could be either, with or without paint. My prejudgment doesn’t cloud my actual judgment of you.
Make up not being permanent is a big reason why it’s perfectly OK to use it even if you look like a clown. I’m a dude and occasionally use make up at certain parties.
You seem to agree with me that face tattoos are a terrible idea, but you empathise with their idiot younger selves. I get it, and probably IRL I would not be so merciless. But I prefer that my kids know that face tattoos are a terrible idea even if some people will show them some sympathy.
I prefer that my kids know that face tattoos are a terrible idea…
Ever heard of a cyclical issue? Basically, you believe that people will think less of them for having face tattoos because you think less of people with face tattoos. You’re perpetuating the intolerance that you fear your kids would face.
Tattoos don’t mean that you’re stupid, especially not in today’s world where tattoo removal is increasingly available to the laymen. What do you gain by judging people in that way? Just more reason to feel better than them?
I wouldn’t say they’re a terrible idea. Except maybe you’d want to work one of those boring ass jobs where a stick up your arse is a requirement. Like accountant, salesman or bank-clerk.
But besides your own consequences in this world for having makeup or face-tats, I couldn’t care less. You’re not defined by the clothes you wear, the money in your accounts, the color of your skin, nor the paint you put on that. Permanent or not. Unless, as said, the message is obvious (swastika et al) and hence more judge-able.
You’re defined by your actions. The facetat-dude could be the loveliest dude ever, while the suit could be the worst kid-beater.
What I would do is having a prejudgment maybe. But that is just by looking at you and has no intrinsic value at all, until you proove me right or wrong.
Just a first impression.
I would (and actually do) hire anyone for anything if they prove to be good people (and obviously abled for the job). Heck, I have one dude managing a branch that is covered in tats (face too), wears some rock- or punk whatever outfit, is a harley-biker with rings heavier than my watch and looks like 3 angry people melted into one big SOB 😁… And is one of the kindest persons I’ve ever met who helps everyone and works his free time in a soup-kitchen.
Long story short: prejudgment should be just that. A quick judgment based on appearance prior to a real judgment based on character.
Don’t underestimate the stupidity of white people looking for an identity to fill the void of meaning in their lives.
Since New Zealand isn’t very big, there’s a good chance we’re just a fad away from having millions of 22 year olds getting shitty imitations onto their faces thus ruining it for the Maori.
It’s not cultural appropriation BTW, because Kaylee and Braden absolutely do have Maori heritage 409 generations ago!
I’m general I agree, but I draw the line at face tattoos. If you have face tattoos I assume you are dumb as sticks.
I’ve seen people describe face and neck tattoos as the “everlasting job stopper”
Depends on the job tbh. I couldn’t care less about a software developer with face tattoos even if I think less of their life choices.
Depends on the location. I know lots of hard working individuals who hold good jobs in all kinds of different settings that have tattoos. I am Canadian however so I live in a society that doesn’t judge others so harshly for personal decisions that only affect themselves.
I feel like face tattoos are judged too harshly at one point in time all tattoos were judged as harshly as face tattoos are now. All of it is arbitrary who cares if someone chose to get a tattoo on their face?
I wish people could do what they want to their bodies without judgment but I don’t see that ever happening.
People change throughout their entire lives, and ideas that seemed effin’ cool when we were young and pretty, well, maybe they felt less cool as we sobered up and aged. I think most of us can relate to the feeling that once or twice, the younger version of ourselves sure was a goddamned idiot who made some dumbass decisions that made our future life twice as hard as it needed to be.
But yeah, nothing screams cool like a 50+ year old with face tattoos.
why judge them for it though? as long as the tattoo itself isn’t hateful or something I don’t really care about what or where they get tattooed. If they regret their tattoo its still their choice to do what they want with their bodies. what if they don’t regret it? we all make bad choices sometimes but there are a lot worse things you can do than get a bad tattoo.
But then I don’t get to judge other people for their decisions that have no effect on me whatsoever. How would I make myself feel better about my terrible existence?
I just hit 50 this past year. I am old now. No work to answer to. I have an appointment for a face tattoo in the next while. I already have hand and high neck tattoos. I’m glad you hate the idea. It makes me happy. I despise bigots.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ethan-westbrooks-face-tattoo-2014-9
tl,dr the man got a tattoo on his face because he knew that would disqualify him for any job except playing pro football.
Well that’s a risky gamble…
Doesn’t super look like it paid off
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Westbrooks
While I’d never do something like that, I can see his point. Sometimes the only way forward is to burn your bridges.
Also, all this talk about face tattoos reminds me of one of the all time great science fiction novels, “The Stars My Destination,” by Alfred Bester. One of the subplots is that the hero gets tattoos that make it easy for his enemies to find him.
Fun read. https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-stars-my-destination-alfred-bester/11574652?ean=9781876963460&next=t
That was my favorite book when I was a kid. I only learned that it’s the Sci-fi version of the classic book “Count of Monte Cristo” as an adult.
I bet that kid grew up watching full metal alchemist
I would actually not care nor measure that into my judgment. At one particular time in their life, this felt like a great idea to them. We didn’t live their life, we can’t know. It might even make up for a great story to tell.
And on top of that: I see no difference to make-up, except it’s permanent. Women paint their faces like they’re applying to Clowns college and noone bats an eye. A nice face-tattoo is just more plainly identifieable as paint than good makeup is.
Not talking about a swastika or other stupid messages of course. If you portrait stupid messages I’m forced to deduct you’re stupid.
The permanence IS the most important difference though. One requires you to knowingly make the decision you’ll have it on your face forever.
So many decisions are permanent. Philosophically speaking, every decicsson is. If you decide to get that burito later you will forever be the person that decided to get that burito in that decision.
Someone decides to go to college and spends 5 years there. That is forever. They can decide to go into a different profession of course or get a second degree in something else but those 5 years are gone. And that decision should be mutch mutch mutch more relevant to somebody hiring you that a cosmetic decision. And yet we say to children that they can change their courses and degrees if they are not right but we say a tatoo is a mark against you forever.
Its 100% prejudice from a time when tattoos were (in western society) mainly related to gang association. A point that is 0% relevant today.
Yes, from a philosophical standpoint, even the water I just drank was a permanent decision.
But face tattoos are a permanent change to your appearance that you KNOW you might be discriminated against for AND can’t cover up so making that decision implies that you don’t consider potential negative future effects of your actions, or don’t care.
You can absolutely cover up face tattoos. It’s even easier in colder climates. Also, and I know it’s a bit of a reach, but coming out publicly is a permanent change that you know you might be discriminated against for. Should everyone stay in the closet because it brings fewer negative future effects?
Let people do what makes them happy, after all, it doesn’t hurt anyone (except themselves for a bit while getting it).
There are positive aspects to coming out if you’re in the closet. What’s the positive aspect of face tattoos?
And I know about life in colder climates. When did you last have a job interview outdoors though?
Yes, everyone is free to do it. Everyone else is also free to judge them for it though.
It makes one happy?
I just said it’s possible to cover up, job interviews weren’t part of this.
What’s the point though. They are already judged enough, I don’t think it’s a good idea to worsen that.
I don’t see much of a difference. Besides the obvious physical one of course. You have paint on your face right now, whatever kind it might be. Maybe it’s a message, maybe you’re dumb, maybe you’ve made a big mistake at some time, maybe not. But should I care? Are you good people or a mean piece of human garbage? That is what counts (to me). You could be either, with or without paint. My prejudgment doesn’t cloud my actual judgment of you.
Make up not being permanent is a big reason why it’s perfectly OK to use it even if you look like a clown. I’m a dude and occasionally use make up at certain parties.
You seem to agree with me that face tattoos are a terrible idea, but you empathise with their idiot younger selves. I get it, and probably IRL I would not be so merciless. But I prefer that my kids know that face tattoos are a terrible idea even if some people will show them some sympathy.
Ever heard of a cyclical issue? Basically, you believe that people will think less of them for having face tattoos because you think less of people with face tattoos. You’re perpetuating the intolerance that you fear your kids would face.
Tattoos don’t mean that you’re stupid, especially not in today’s world where tattoo removal is increasingly available to the laymen. What do you gain by judging people in that way? Just more reason to feel better than them?
Can’t see the forest for the trees.
I wouldn’t say they’re a terrible idea. Except maybe you’d want to work one of those boring ass jobs where a stick up your arse is a requirement. Like accountant, salesman or bank-clerk.
But besides your own consequences in this world for having makeup or face-tats, I couldn’t care less. You’re not defined by the clothes you wear, the money in your accounts, the color of your skin, nor the paint you put on that. Permanent or not. Unless, as said, the message is obvious (swastika et al) and hence more judge-able. You’re defined by your actions. The facetat-dude could be the loveliest dude ever, while the suit could be the worst kid-beater.
What I would do is having a prejudgment maybe. But that is just by looking at you and has no intrinsic value at all, until you proove me right or wrong. Just a first impression.
I would (and actually do) hire anyone for anything if they prove to be good people (and obviously abled for the job). Heck, I have one dude managing a branch that is covered in tats (face too), wears some rock- or punk whatever outfit, is a harley-biker with rings heavier than my watch and looks like 3 angry people melted into one big SOB 😁… And is one of the kindest persons I’ve ever met who helps everyone and works his free time in a soup-kitchen.
Long story short: prejudgment should be just that. A quick judgment based on appearance prior to a real judgment based on character.
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I possibly would allow ones around the edges, and of course Maori face tattoos are fine; but otherwise, yeah.
OK, fine. I will take face tattoos on a case by case basis but they’re walking on thin ice.
Why?
Because the majority of people with Maori face tattoos are Maori, not gobshites.
Floridian culture does not get the same respect, I’m guessing?
Don’t underestimate the stupidity of white people looking for an identity to fill the void of meaning in their lives.
Since New Zealand isn’t very big, there’s a good chance we’re just a fad away from having millions of 22 year olds getting shitty imitations onto their faces thus ruining it for the Maori.
It’s not cultural appropriation BTW, because Kaylee and Braden absolutely do have Maori heritage 409 generations ago!
Americans are weird.
Thoroughly weird.
That guy posts on ich_iel though.
All I gotta say is thank goodness for tags. How else would one keep track of all the crazy fascists and Nazis.
You talking about him, or am I branded fascist now?
“They get a pass because they normalized it sooner”