What a fool, you should have used your money responsibly, like me, who gambled it all away. Your way was such a waste!

I worked at Domino’s for 6 months and was the closer who actually gave a shit about dishes, 5 nights a week. They fired me for mixing up what day I was scheduled, once. I was easily the best driver/closer at the time, LMAO.

If we actually took an order 2 minutes before close, it was always the fastest delivery of the night. Those orders literally never tipped me more than $1.50. Even the people who apologized for doing it.

Not sure what the chicken thing is about, we didn’t do it whatever way he was saying.

Of course it’s insulting, how do you expect a school to make a profit if there isnt a corporation selling overpriced food in every hallway? You insulted not just the school, but capitalism itself.

Including the professor. Hell, by my sophomore year I wouldn’t have been paying attention to another presentation regardless of the time of day. Either it mattered and I was worried about my own, or it didn’t and I was on reddit.

Does this mean it’s still possible that a poop machete or poop katana is viable?

Russia isnt doing a genocide, they’re just Fighting a war over land. You can tell by the fact that Putin speaks about Crimeans as if they’re equivalent to Russians, while Israel has made it clear they consider all Palestinians to be animals.

Why would employees ever be paid exactly the same? It’s obviously paid by position and seniority.

Capitalism is not equivalent to a free market. In general, free markets are simply something people create. Capitalism is when the power resides with the capital.

Socialism means that the power resides with society. Not the government. Afaik, workers owning the means of production is the only way to do this. A true socialist state has a pretty small government, because like you’ve pointed out, central governments are pretty vulnerable. 50 different worker unions across 5 different industries, who do not allow outside investors, is not at all vulnerable.

Cronyism must happen in any true capitalist society for this reason:

1. As a business owner, you are required to do anything legal to increase shareholder value, otherwise investors will sue you.

2. Rewriting laws is a highly effective means of increasing your companies value.

3. It is legal to bribe the government for new laws.

If any large business does not do this, they will lose to their competition who does. This is why cronyism is the natural state of capitalism.

I don’t see why a real founder of a company shouldn’t maintain some huge amount of ownership as high as 10-15%, for life. They started it, after all. The people who are left out of the deal are the investor class, who have never done any actual work for the company.

The countries America has destabilized via the CIA is extensive. The methods range among: assassinations of elected leaders (at least 5 foreign presidents, that’s what I found a couple minutes, probably closer to 15), rigging elections, arming a neighboring warlord who then slaughters hundreds of thousands (Jakarta, 1963, 1 million dead in under a week), placing trade embargos on them to prevent them getting necessary supplies, and even using our fruit companies to put their economy into a stranglehold, then demanding the laws be changed to benefit the banana companies.

Venezuela in particular has been completely ravaged by America killing their elected socialists, then installing authoritarian puppets who go on to brutalize everyone. Pretty close to every single south American country has been a victim of the CIA. Chile is another great example, CIA assassinated Allende, then installed Pinochet, one of the worst dictators in history. I suggest you look up more, I can’t possibly cover even 10% of it here. The events in Jakarta, 1963 is a great place to start, along with the last 80 years in venezuala.

These events happened largely because the capitalists needed another war to profit off of. All of the atrocities the CIA has committed over the years are directly attributable to capitalism and it’s need for infinite growth, forever.

Crony capitalism IS capitalism, in its purest form. The system incentives doing it, so it will ALWAYS happen. Tech firms aren’t left at all, theyr all capitalists solely out for their own gain.

Socialism is when the workers own the means of production. The collective workers in any given company own it. Not the government. That’s why it’s so insulated against authoritarianism, because without the unions behind it, an authoritarian govt has nothing.

The reason the results we’ve seen are authoritarianism and collapse is that the US military/CIA have gone out of their way to make sure the ones that aren’t authoritarian will collapse. Rigging elections, assassinating elected leaders, blocking trade, etc.

It’s better for your political system to have a central tenet that is good, and which it sometimes doesn’t live up to, than it is for it to have one which is bad and it always lives up to. Capitalisms central tenet is to take the power that should belong to the people, and give it to clueless rich guys who don’t work.

No ownership of large parts of multiple companies, no cronyism. Well, minimal cronyism. If a large shareholder of UPS cannot possibly also own large shares of an airline, then they can’t possibly act in their own interest but not the company’s.

Why would the incentives for workers not be there, if the system is requiring that those workers be paid 100% of profits? The only people without incentives are the rich leeches who don’t want to do real work.

I don’t know for certain that fascists love capitalism, but capitalists sure love fascism. Most of the Uber wealthy in the mid 20th century were more than happy to work with the Nazis. And the Nazis certainly were not opposed to working with those capitalists. The two ideologies are very similar: both steadily constrict the power of the government into fewer and fewer hands, until you get situations like Nazi Germany or present day USA, where one group of a few thousand has near complete control over the country.

I was using socialism as a blanket term for “the left” there (do you know a better one?). All 3 of them were further left than Bernie Sanders, which I’d argue makes them socialists (the blanket term)

Not sure where you’re getting the idea socialism tends towards authoritarianism, it has more defenses to it than capitalism. Capitalism literally demands that a company do everything it can to co-opt the government, because if you don’t, your competitors will. By contrast, socialism is commonly referred to as “workplace democracy”. It has distributing power as widely as possible as its central tenet, IE workers owning the means of production.

Well, the citizens they killed were literally firing on them and killed around 150 soldiers. Meanwhile the military for the most part did not have guns. Not saying it is justified even then to use military force on striking workers, but a hell of a lot more justified than western media claims. Oh yeah, and literally no college students died that day, as well as nobody within a mile of Tianenmen Square.

Yeah but this way is way scarier, cause even if you survive the army, you now also have to invent a time machine if you ever want to get back home.

Right, but I have already challenged my opinion far more than is necessary, I’m not going to start over. I used to think of myself as a capitalist, and as a liberal. But then I challenged my beliefs, and I found that they didn’t hold water. By I believe the transitive property, that means I no longer need to seriously consider whether capitalism or liberalism are reasonable views to hold.

As a result, unless I see a whole lot of new information on the subject, I am going to assume that any fact which seems to suggest capitalism or liberalism are valid systems is actually just misleading or false. And you should too. People have been having these debates with themselves for 150+ years, and all of the smartest people came up with the answer of socialism (Einstein, MLK, Lenin, etc). Meanwhile, all of the grifters and Nazi lovers came up with capitalism/liberalism

The same reason cave men didn’t try to eat the gazelle that was lying right next to their cave for 2 days. All the ones who did eat it, died. When things feel too easy, it sets off alarms that suggest it might not be as good as it seems. Men don’t actually hate it, it just tends to set off their inborn defenses. If you want to take the lead on a man, try to show him that he’s done something to earn your affection. Probably most applicable to strangers.

Cause you can’t actually GO anywhere on a bike. If you want to go somewhere 200 miles away for a week, it’d take a day and a half each way, minimum, and you can’t bring anything with you bigger than a backpack. It’s also physically strenuous to go literally anywhere, even the places you are allowed to go.

Aside from criticism of Biden/Dems, in all of those cases you’re taking a position that is, in general, not true. Just because you have some facts that suggest the economy is better than we think, or that socialism doesn’t work better than capitalism, doesn’t make you correct. Just because a fact is correct doesn’t make it true. The truth is that capitalism is killing us all, and nitpicking that narrative really doesn’t help anybody. Facts that disagree with that truth are usually either misleading or literally just fabrications themselves.

Conservatives such as Joe Biden. It’s all the same scam, stop falling for it

Everything you’ve said is the exact explanation for why there is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism, and the inherent flaw behind it as a whole. But I do not accept that it’s the same issue in gaza. It is not capitalism as a system causing the genocide, it is our elected president who is actively lying about both sides of the war in order to perpetuate it. It is our UN representatives actively blocking a ceasefire. The fact we haven’t impeached Biden yet is very much on all Americans. Capitalism did not put Biden in the WH, we did. And so we are responsible for what he does and doesn’t do while there.

As far as the sins of capitalism, I very much agree with your original sin argument. It’s just a different issue when the problems are caused by our democratically elected government.

The best case scenario of letting Meta in is neutrality. Far more likely is then actively destroying stuff. Remember, their motto is move fast and break things

There is certainly a genocide occuring in Palestine. The US is funding the Israeli military. Ergo, the US is culpable for genocide, just like all Germans were. Average citizens are less culpable than government officials are, but we are all culpable for it to a degree.

It’s a similar concept to manslaughter. We were negligent in our enforcement of our government, and so even though you and I might oppose the governments actions and didn’t directly cause them, we all had a duty to prevent a genocidal government taking power.

Y’all is just a useful word, other ways of referring to a group of people are ambiguous, esp. now that They doesn’t always mean multiple