I’m tempted to buy it just because.
Even if you don’t like the game which will be hard for most. Supporting a developer like this is never a loss.
Yeah, imo they fumbled at the start very bad but all these continuous updates really made it one of the rare open universe space games.
Releasing in that state shouldn’t count as a fumble. I’m certainly glad the game has turned around and wish no ill on Sean or the team…
But the game absolutely deserved all the bad press it got and Sean did lie to the public multiple times.
For introspections sake, I’d have probably folded like a paper crane and made the exact same mistake, give the pressure he was under but he’s only avoided the permanent moniker of “This Gen’s Molyneux” because the team bunkered down and delivered on his promises.
It’s like $25 right now. I just bought it at work. I’ll put it on the Steam Deck when I get home.
I played it for the very first time a few months ago and honestly became obsessed with it for a few weeks. If the game looks like something you would be into then it’s absolutely worth $25.
That was my experience too. A few weeks of “This is cool” then it became boring and repetitive; all the planets and star systems are basically the same
Maybe I missed something?
Don’t buy it just because.
but buy it, as a little treat
I have 600 hours in it so far and I only stopped playing because I built my freighter large enough that pieces started disappearing off it randomly
Buy it because it’s a fun game. It really is. I’ve got 300 hours in and will probably start a new play-through with this update.
I was a skeptic too, and say what you will, but Hello Games has pushed a huge amount of content out for the game without ever having yet charged for an update or DLC. No other company I know would have done that.
Larian probably.
Right?? I got 15 games from the SSS and have only been playing the shit out of space station 14 which is totally free. I bought chivalry 2 yesterday because I saw a YouTube short and went on to find that their model and monetization is really principled. I played the tutorial and went back to SS14. It’s good even. I’m just obsessed elsewhere and am happy to give the devs that money.
I just wish they’d finally give VR roomscale support. As it is it’s extremely clunky and mods can only do so much to fix it.
I tried to play it on VR about 3 years ago and got stuck in the tutorial looking for an engine part on another part of the starting planet, I think the map was glitched. Did they fix that?
I only ever played it in VR and didn’t have this issue, so maybe?
I did fall through the floor on my freighter and lose all my shit once, that wasn’t nice.
I’ve heard that it went from being embarrassingly bad to actually really good. Is there a good video that can elaborate on that for me?
I’m partial to this one
The apparent plagiarizing that Internet Historian does is upsetting
It’s the cryptofascism that does it for me
Whoa, lol, what is this a reference to?? Holy shit! 🤣🤣🤣 Don’t tell me it’s just more youtube drama? Jesus, so many intense opinions about the guy. I had no idea he had garnered such a bizarre reputation. And to think, I’ve been wasting all this time watching his videos twice a year and then getting the fuck on with my life. I guess meta truly will never be not cringe. Lol. Seriously though, what are referencing? Is there some subliminal propaganda sewn throughout his videos that I’m just too dense to pick up on? 😂
If you don’t know what its in reference to, that’s the point.
that I’m just too dense to pick up on?
Not subliminal, but apparently you are too dense to pick up on it yeah.
If you really need a breakdown of all the Nazism and racist stuff he’s done. Here.
Lol, a link to a sub literally called youtubedrama. So yes, YouTube meta bullshit. But since you’ve already roped me in, assuming this is all true, that’s fucked up.
Also, you can be informative without being rude, that would have been appreciated so maybe have a little patience next time.
I mean… you weren’t particularly nice in our thread. I get that hearing this sort of news about a favorite content creator is difficult, and the natural reaction is to be defensive and abrasive. I think many of us have been there.
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Care to elaborate?
Ah yeah, hbomberguy had a… few minutes on this youtuber in his Plagiarism video which laid it out pretty well
Lol, I mean, okay, sure. Not very significant though. First, I would never have read that article. Second, telling stories chronologically is only a new concept to Quenton Tarantino, the rest of humanity kind of defaults to that. Third, I don’t watch IH for his fact based reporting, I don’t care if he just read the entire article verbatim and I could care even less if he just made it all up. I think he is good at humor and shitty animations and neither of those are even remotely represented in the OC. So sure, if you say he’s a plagiarist, I won’t defend it, but maybe you’re going to the wrong place if you’re going to IH for original and reliable “information”.
Lol, I think hbomb needs to get some perspective. He could easily argue that “bIg MoNeY sAlViA lItErAlLy StEaLs OtHeR pEoPlE’s CoNtEnT” and he would be 100% simultaneously correct and useless.
Why wouldn’t IH just properly reference the article and make clear that the animation was based off it? IH ripped the article off in it’s entirety, made a crazy popular video and money off of an author’s work, and that’s obviously not ok.
Stealing content just… isn’t ok. It’s a shitty look for IH
Yeah, a reference would have been nice, sure. But I still think the people that watched that video are NOT interested in reading a longer, unfunny version of stories about dumb people. Conversely, if you were trying to research this story specifically and your source was this video, then maybe the bottom of a cave is the right place for you. Lol. His images are just ripped off stock photos too. So I suppose nothing he does is truly original. Yet at the same time, there is no one like him on YouTube that has the same appeal. So I would say, if you watch his video and then read the article, would you have the same experience? Probably not. He did transform the content. But enough so for you? That’s up to the beholder. So again, sure he stole someone’s article and they had YouTube remove it. I guess the system works. And I still don’t care. He’s neither a journalist nor a researcher so who cares? What a weird battle to fight. The fact that anyone has an opinion this intense about something so dumb is just baffling, let alone enough to make a video about it. I still think hbomb needs to chill the fuck out. It’s just not that serious, and YouTube has already taken action. So who are you carrying the torch for? You know what’s more entertaining than hbomber “taking down” Internet Historian? Any Internet Historian video. I do find it hilarious that his most popular video is the one about IH. So who is milking who here? 😂 I’m just fucking around. You’re absolutely right. But it just means nothing to me. I’m sure I’m not alone.
… uhhh nooo
Lol, this is still one of my favorite videos on YouTube. IH is the shit. And you have impeccable taste.
They’ve added so much since launch. Entirely new systems from base and ship building to full questlines. The new update improved the world generation and hoo boy is it pretty. I will say the amount of pollen on some the planets is melting my GPU.
Like actual net code, which the devs falsely claimed was in at launch?
The game has had real multiplayer for a long time, bud
It wasn’t in when they said “oh it’s just so big you won’t find anyone”
There needs to be a full story for people who forgot / weren’t interested in the game. The devs said there is multiplayer and you can meet but you won’t since the game is so large. A day after release or so, two players “met”. The planet had a different time - day for one, night for other. They couldn’t see each other. There was no interaction possible, there just wasn’t any netcode at that point. Of course the devs then ran with the story screaming “omg people already met up! Amazing!”.
It wasn’t, but it was added I think back in 2017 or 18, so at least 6 years being able to play multiplayer. Not that it really matters, aside from base building, the game doesn’t feel better when played with a buddy or a rando.
That sounds like bad news for the steam deck.
Runs fine on Steamdeck. It does chug battery life from a fire hose.
Every time I’ve opened No Man’s Sky, I always get excited to explore in the game. Sadly, always after playing a couple hours, I get bored because the gameplay loop isn’t as fun as the wonder you get when you first open the game.
Everyone says that it’s got quests now, it’s got bases now, planets are more diverse but the depth of these are extremely shallow. So, for me, the game still has not been redeemed from when I bought the game on release.
I’m having a blast just traveling around looking at stuff in VR in this game. After about 25 hours I still have no idea what the actual gameplay is supposed to be.
It’s focused on exploration with combat, base building, and trading being important secondary factors. It’s not everyone’s cup of tea for sure, but it is the best game available at what it does. The immense expanse of the universe(s) is front and center in the experience.
Checking it out in VR is on my gaming bucket list, as it’s already amazing on just a regular screen.
I’d personally put quotes in combat. Haven’t checked this latest update yet, but combat has always been a complete letdown, especially on foot. Your character starts putting down your weapon if you spend 1 second without firing. Once the animation starts, it will add considerable lag between your click/button press and it actually firing, which can make you miss shots very often during fights. Beating those orange drones never feel like any sort of challenge, just an annoying chore, especially when the repair ones start healing your target from very far away
Space combat is fine, but nothing to write home about. It’s all about dogfights among small craft, which is much better than doing anything on foot. Freighters and corvettes exist solely as stationary space rocks with maybe some cargo you can blow up to steal.
I wouldn’t say trading is even a secondary factor, much less important in any manner. It’s just a crutch for players that don’t accidentally stumble on an easy way to get boatloads of credits. Getting nanites can be a much bigger chore (I’ve set up a macro to turn in food in the Anomaly for nanites, since I was playing on permadeath, so mold->nanites wasn’t feasible), quicksilver is even worse. A good chunk of my playtime was setting up active indium mining farms and uploading them in the hopes someone else could use the money, back before the price was nerfed down hard.
it is the best game available at what it does
Only at the “infinite* planets, infinite* universe” thing and seamless space to planet transition. It’s not the best at ground combat, space combat, base building, ship building/customization, trading, crafting, storytelling, being a space pirate, space exploration, ground exploration… Of course, no other game offers all of these things in a single package, at least not that I’m aware of, but I can name some games that do some of those things better than NMS
Honestly I thought that was it. Just exploring shit. If it isn’t then I guess I’ve been play it wrong
Is it just me, or do games always go on massive sales immediately after I purchase it?
Could you do me a favour and purchase sekiro GOTY edition?
It’s $30 on Xbox right now. I’ve never seen it lower. Also, at least on Xbox, GOTY edition is meaningless. The content is all free updates to the base game.
Ah, unfortunately I don’t have an Xbox. Been craving Sekiro after playing Nine Sols on PC.
But good to know that 30 bucks seems to be the lower bound!
Five or six years ago I used to be able to get 30 fps on low graphics with one or two mods to reduce the load on the GPU. Now I can’t even break 15 FPS without lowering the resolution to unusable levels. What gives? Same setup and everything.
You had an out of date pc five years ago and you want to know why the same pc runs bad today?
It’s time for an upgrayedd my friend.
Agreed! It actually runs perfectly on a Steam Deck on high between 60-90fps
My brother in science… This can’t be a serious comment, can it?
I’ve always thought this game looked like shit.
Doesn’t it only go up to 4 players or something? What a weird limit for such a large game. I guess the devs just weren’t skilled enough to raise it any higher.
And you were not skilled enough to update your misinformation
It’s always the most unskilled kids the ones who are the most critical about games lol, what the fuck?
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Did I criticize the thing you like? Pardon me for not keeping up with updates for shitty games before criticizing them.
You’re also wrong: “The game can currently be played by multiple people together online in parties of 2 to 4 players.”
You can play as a group/team of four, but the game can display up to 32 players in the same area simultaneously, which is quite more likely to happen during expeditions.
Just like why post at all though? This clearly isn’t for you if you’re driven to insult the game on a post about it’s update.
Using a fucking outdated wiki as your “evidence” while acting like bloody Sherlock Holmes?!? Could you be a bigger ass?
From the actual game website:
“Experience up to 32 player multiplayer when you summon the social hub, the Space Anomaly, from anywhere in the universe. Form a group, go on inter-galactic missions together or visit each other’s bases.”
Why are you so upset? I just did a quick google search and that’s what came up. Am I supposed to do actual research for a shitty game? No, I don’t care that much.
Also, they aren’t very clear about whether or not you can actually group up with 32 players, only summon them in a “social hub.”
I don’t care that much.
And yet here you are.
Yeah.
You’re supposed to know what you’re talking about before commenting, yes. Otherwise people will point out you’re wrong.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
“Doesn’t it only go up to 4 players or something?”
That was the max number of players who could play together for something like 3 update cycles, and that was years ago. Everyone was still technically in the same shared universe, you just couldn’t actually co-op with more than that… but, again, that’s outdated. Not sure what the limit is now, if there even is one - it’s a more seamless and behind-the-scenes load-balancing deal now.
Everyone was still technically in the same shared universe, you just couldn’t actually co-op with more than that…
So, it only goes up to 4 players because the devs aren’t competent enough to support more.
Thanks for proving my point.
Reading comprehension FAILED successfully.
I’m sorry you like this game so much that you get offended when people criticize it.
Cool, buddy.
The gameplay loop is tremendously boring, too. I have no idea how they did that, since it’s basically the same as Minecraft.
How is it the same as Minecraft? Just because it has building and gathering materials? Come on.
In case you want to know why games are released in the state they are. It’s because of games like “No Man’s Sky”
Games were over hyped, released buggy, and lacking a ton of features long before no mans sky, nms was just one of the most over hyped - it’s also by far the biggest redemption since it now has significantly more content than was ever promised at launch, and all of it has come free instead of in a ton of dlc’s or with monetization
Yes, but No Man’s Sky seemed like a real turning point. At first it was still considered embarrassing. Now it’s the status quo.
Is it really redeeming to spend so many years and resources on a game that still isn’t very good at all. They’ve basically spent two full development cycles on one mediocre game.
I definitely think so (plus I think it’s a great game now, even though it was hot garbage at launch). The continuing updates are 100% a labor of love at this point, I’m sure they still sell more copies each update, but not enough to justify the cost if they weren’t wanting to work on it. I love me a good labor of love game.
They’ve also been working on Light No Fire for ~6 years at this point so they’ve been doing more than just making new content for NMS this whole time
I just love that they used developments from LNF as an update for NMS. Like, they had no reason to do that other than being bros.
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You don’t know the cost of those resources.
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They have an average playerbase of 7k players with peaks of 20k+ every month, which is healthy as hell, because, compared to the top games in the world, say GTA V or Fortnite, they surpass their playerbases in game modes like Fortnite’s Lego, Rocket Racing, Team Rumble, Save The World, and pretty much all of GTA V’s races, pvp modes and like 99.9% of their online missions which are always dead empty despite having a constant playerbase of 150k or whatever, because they’re boring and unrewarding as fuck.
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Those numbers, and remember NMS’ team was or is like less than 30 people. Rockstar and Epic Games have hundreds, if not thousands of devs and people working on their games.
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Spending on games like these is how they evolve and become better. If Minecraft stopped receiving updates a long time ago, it’d be as dead. And yeah, Mojang was bought by Microsoft, the team is super large compared to NMS’ now.
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It’s always the inexperienced kids who speak about game dev like they know shit, but they really don’t. This is why a lot of misinformation and bullshit gets spread with confidence, the most lousy people in gaming are dumb little kids who think they know better than adults working in the field, it’s ridiculous
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Sounds like it’s just not for you. Because I think it’s an incredible game and has been my go-to since the second update. It’s okay to not like something.
Loads more content and still nothing to do after 2 hours
There’s plenty to do - it’s just sandbox based. There are some questlines you can do, but it’s largely meant to be an exploration sandbox game, not something that you’re constantly rushing from quest to quest with everything scripted out linearly or have a clear end game, the end game is to do whatever you want
Exploration implies there is anything but a slightly different colour palette of the same world but with alien dinosaurs of different proportions onto which to build the same base.
Ah. So, you have grown used to having your hand held and given specific quests with specific locations and directives to accomplish. Well, nothing wrong with that! You do you.
Anyway, I’m off to explore this incredibly mountainous world with giant worms while trying to find a freighter or other ship to call my own while attempting to unravel several mysteries.
But ri-i-ight, color palettes ahaha.
Enjoy your, eh, interesting heightmap and unspecified
directives to accomplishmysteries.We will, because while there is a broader narrative, we also with this have the capacity to do what we wish on potentially thousands of distant worlds. Be it terraforming, building, amassing a fleet, hunting bounties, or just exploring what the universe has to offer. By the way: What do you enjoy playing?
I’ve got +1700hrs in it. I promise you there’s lots to do, it’s just a super chill non-linear game. It’s okay that it’s not your thing, but there is a reason that it’s had so many free updates and maintains a consistent player base after so many years:
'cuz it’s good, if you’re into it.
Well I’ve definitely given it a fair go.
It’s had so many free updates because it is a visual game and so every reason to make a new trailer is new marketing. Every trailer is 3 second jump cuts of something visually interesting. Ocassionally giving away that the gameplay is still “aim the same tool that does the same thing at a rock, plant or creature until a number goes up in the ship. Use the bigger number in the ship to improve how high the number is allowed to go in the ship. Use the ship to get to a new rock, plant or creature. Oh and learn words?” I just genuinely do not understand what people are getting from it. Maybe there’s a plateau in the point in the game I’m at and I am simply another 4 hours of pointing at rocks, plants and creatures until I unlock the fun, but I am old. I don’t have time to unlock the fun. To be fair I’ve never been the grinding sort.
And I’m definitely into “explore space and build things in a non-story, non-linear way”
OK Lemmy’s being weird but here is where the screenshot of 2500 hours in Kerbal Space Program goes.
I could only last 5 hours in Kerbal Space Program. That game is super boring, and I reached the moon by myself, it was meh
Oh boy, there’s missing the bus and then there’s this ☝️
If you were to rank everyone to blame for the state of games at release these days, there are so many people that come before Sean Murray. First and foremost, is YOU. Not necessarily you or even only you, but the consumer. I haven’t preordered a game since standing in line at GameStop for Halo fucking 2. It was immediately obvious how stupid that was back then, and it makes nearly no sense these days. Some people want to support a dev and that’s great, but others just slap their money down on a preorder for a digital release from some soon to be defunct EA studio. You created a precedent for games to be sold before they are even made.
Which brings me to number two, the studio conglomerates like EA, predatory confidence games like console exclusivity, and general anti-consumer practices. Hell, capitalism itself incentivises every studio to make their own store, lock every asset behind a paywall, and make the game progression as needlessly grindy and time-consuming as possible.
You think Sean Murray masterminded the debacle himself? Watch his videos from during that time. He is incredibly awkward because he is a dev. He’s not a salesman or a marketing director. What dev do you know that doesn’t dream about what their game could be? And sure, the debacle is ultimately Sean’s responsibility, but he has gone above and beyond to make up for it. To blame him for “games these days” that fail to do that in any meaningful way is just so transparently ignorant.
This is the dumbest comment so far. Acting like a bunch of failed repetitive Assassins Creeds, FIFAs, Call of Duties, buggy Bethesda games, and hundreds lots of other less-known unfinished games, specially MMOs, didn’t exist before NMS. You have to be a kid to say that.
The only reason NMS was rushed was because the idea was so new and so goddamn impressive, a ton of stupid dumb little kids like you pressured them to release it unfinished, you pressured them with features that were technologically impossible or too difficult to implement just like that, and so much more.
Gamers are the biggest whinny annoying little babies I have ever seen in my life. I swear to God you deserve all those unfinished buggy boring shits, you deserve the slop that only cares about your money, not good games, because you’re too ignorant and stupid to appreciate them.
sorry but your comment isn’t much better as you’re wrong. This had nothing to do with gamers demanding an early release, that’s a lie. stop. Don’t insult someone for bullshit when you’re spewing the equal amount.
The problem with the initial release of NMS was Sean Murray. that’s it. Hello Games didn’t have a PR person and it was all on the back of Murray. He hyped the game up beyond belief and stated features would be present at launch that wouldn’t be. And while Sony did publish and promise to assist in marketnig, they did not provide PR. Murray should have hired someone to do PR for his team, he did not. https://www.vice.com/en/article/dpkvnm/inside-the-nasty-no-mans-sky-backlash.
IF he had kept his mouth shut or actually hired someone to do PR, the NMS launch would have been just fine. Murray himself has stated that the launch of NMS was a result of himself not benig able to control the hype around the game. It was too little too late especially after the game launched where Hello Games and Murray pretty much said “ok, we way over hyped this thing…we better shut up for a few months until we can add in all the stuff I promised”.
It wasn’t untli the zero hour that Murray realized he, essentially, talked too much. review copies didn’t go out because if they had game sites would have pointed out that Murray was speaking bullshit. The demand for the game by gamers at launch was because of the hype that Murray couldn’t control. There’s even stories of developers at Hello Games trying to reel Murray in and tell him to basically shut up. Were the features Murray promised prior to launch going to be in the game? yes, eventually, with updates. But because of Murray and his direct involvment with a lackluster launch they now had to speed up/crunch development for said features. Why the guy wasn’t ousted from Hello Games is beyond me but he managed to eventually save face.
Again this had NOTHING to do with gamers demanding a release. It released on time. There was even an investigation by the ASA in regards to the false advertising of No Man’s Sky https://www.pcgamesn.com/no-mans-sky/no-mans-sky-false-advertising
So just stop lying. Yes you probably love the game, but there’s no reason to continue to defend it. This was all their own doing of which they managed to recover from it.
