The former president has always considered himself to be the ultimate disrupter. But this time, the disruption is on the other side.

Through the weekend, there were an awful lot of questions that were going back and forth from people in the president’s tightest circle, and one of the questions that kept being asked was whether Joe Biden was going to endorse Kamala Harris or not. And the question didn’t revolve around whether he wanted to or not, but whether people in her camp thought it would be better for her to fight for it, win it on her own, and not be seen as somebody who was tapped by President Biden and so, in her own way, have a fresh start going into the campaign.

So the timing seems to be about as good as it could have been to end what has just been one of the craziest two or three weeks in American politics in quite some time.

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      Can you blame him? Kamala was a District Attorney and an Attorney General. Even a competent opponent who based their arguments on facts would be intimidated.

      Trump wouldn’t stand a chance on that stage.

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        IDK, considering the MAGA crowd consider Trump lies better than facts, because everybody know by now, that facts have a liberal bias.

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            The fight is against the couch, idiot undecided voters are basically a coin toss. Getting 80%+ of your supporters to actually vote for you is all you really need.

            Nothing was more demoralizing than Biden in the last debate. Trump against someone under 60 could have the same thing happen to him.

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              People on the couch are the undecided voters. The more Democrats call them idiots, the less incentive they have to vote for whoever the Democrat nominee is.

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                  Okay… and what are Democrats going to do about that to help educate America? Are they going to tax churches who act as a conduit for the Republican party and think tanks like The Heritage Foundation, who wants to defund the Department of Education?

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            The undecided will be gaslighted too. Are you really sugesting Trump would try to use reason to sway the undecided?
            Trump has only one mode, and that’s narcissistic pathological liar.

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              Are you really sugesting Trump would try to use reason to sway the undecided?

              no, i am suggesting that primary goal of democratic candidate is not to go after maga voters.

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                He needs to capture his base too, and make sure as many of them as possible will vote, without them the marginal voters are irrelevant.
                Trump will use stupid arguments and lies, and look like he is winning. That’s how he built the MAGA crowd, and that’s the system he will continue to use.
                The undecided he manages to convince to vote for him, will then be supporting MAGA by definition, even if they aren’t as batshit crazy as the hardcore MAGA supporters.

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              No, but a good and clear debater, like an experienced lawyer that she is, would blow him apart. Biden was an effective politician and debated pretty well, but its not his forte in the same way.

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        We haven’t heard Kamala debate. She was not very popular in 2020. Sometimes she comes across as cringey and foolish. I wish people would stop acting like she should be coronated. She needs to prove herself before being the nominee. Just handing everything to her on a silver plater isn’t going to get the response Democrats are hoping for.

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          She’s the VP, and the President’s nomination. She’s already on the ballot, so she has access to existing campaign funds. There are no outspoken challengers, and there are eight weeks until early voting ballots are sent out.

          What do you suggest instead?

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            There is at least one outspoken challenger that I know of. She should hopefully be starting some live interviews today on news networks. If she’s like Biden and stays hidden unless there is a teleprompter and has her team silence anyone else, she’s toast too. She was also running cover and part of the team shielding Biden which is what put us in this predicament. If she intends to beat Trump, she needs to come out and start speaking about how she is different. The further she can distance herself from Biden altogether, the better.

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              Care to share a link or her name? Your comment reads like disengagement propaganda by putting down Harris without supporting your nameless alternative.

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                https://marianne2024.com

                BTW I’m not putting her down. I’m saying handing it to her without any public debate or discourse, and just acting like cause she was Biden’s VP that she’s already got this, isn’t a winning strategy. She’s got to distance herself from Biden now and show America what she’s got that will be superior and better.

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                  Williamson didn’t break 10% in the 2020 primary. What makes you think she’s going to capture more of the Democratic vote now?

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                  I remember her from her last campaign. She is pretty articulate on stage, but she has some really fucking loony beliefs. Way too much spirituality and love. That’s a fine message for self-help books, but it was a bad look when Nancy Reagan was dialing Miss Cleo for advice, and it would look even worse today.

                  Trump would tear her up one side and down the other.

                  You want Kamala to prove herself? The clowns I’ve seen stepping forward - Manchin and now this - aren’t going to prove or disprove anything.

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      It will never happen. Trump is such a fucking coward. But his supporters are perfectly fine with this being the first election year without a debate between the candidates…

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      Kamala would wipe the floor with him. Toss him upside down and use his head as a mop.

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      I bet he’s livid. Thunder stolen. And he can’t even try to use the attempt to stir up animosity against his opponents, one of his own fired that gun.

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      Hallmark of a shitty politician unable to seize the moment more than sticking his fist in the air. The second he opened his mouth, any advantage he had went away.

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    What’s weird is she is relaxing. After all the chaos and bullshit and jagged geriatrics from those two guys, it’s just relaxing to see her.

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    Surprised the hell out of me when I realized every time I saw her photo some tension left my shoulders. More so the moment I realized she was running. Weird outside of the context of the jagged geriatrics dance of chaos and decline of the last 8 years, within that context, not so much. I cannot be alone in that sensation. .

    Don’t underestimate that impact. It’s a show stopper.

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    I enjoy these moments when the bots get disrupted and have no agenda to spread on social media.

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    They need this energy to make people want to vote; not just to vote apathetically or to perhaps not bother because they don’t feel like it makes a difference, but to get out and do it with purpose, energised to tell others to do it. The VP pick is going to be a crucial part of this, with some actual policies/promises to back it up. The Republicans have shown fuck all, so here’s hoping for a progressive campaign which speaks to people.

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    There isn’t much Trump can attack her on that he doesn’t support himself when it comes to Kamala’s negatives. So she is actually a great choice. She also has gotten voters out of the loop of despair, even if there isn’t much info about her plans besides continuing Biden’s agenda.

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    They’re going to say you are crazy, they will say you are a bully, they’ll tell you to stop, even your partner will say that you need to stop. Because nobody wants you to break the system itself. But that is true disruption.