Summary
The Trump administration plans to revoke temporary legal status for 240,000 Ukrainians who fled Russia’s war, fast-tracking them for deportation.
The move is part of a broader effort to strip protections from 1.8 million migrants admitted under Biden’s humanitarian parole programs.
Trump’s policies also target 530,000 migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.
Legal challenges are mounting, as affected individuals face uncertain futures. Advocates warn that even U.S. allies, such as Afghans who assisted the military, are now at risk of detention and deportation.
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Because he is a petty little bitch.
What’s his fucking issue with Ukrainians? Is it all about the time when Zelenski didn’t help him produce dirt on Hunter Biden? There is around a million of Ukrainians in Poland right now and crime related incidents involving them are rare. They are a net benefit to society. A million more tax payers. Unfortunately due to incompatibility of their education system and slight language barrier they do jobs below their education level but their contribution is undisputable. Quick influx of them hastened problems with housing affordability in largest cities but it’s not their fault that the government has no strategy to combat high housing prices, without them the situation would still arise but a couple years later. I’ll take 240k more Ukrainian immigrants than 240k American tourists anytime.
Is it all about the time when Zelenski didn’t help him produce dirt on Hunter Biden?
Yep!
Not sure how Republicans are able to rationalize how expelling these specific individuals makes America any better or fixes literally any of it’s problems.
This is just petty retaliation.
I think they rationalize it quite easily, just like all the other garbage that’s ok as long as it’s one of their own.
I wonder where they will go. Their homes in Ukraine are probably destroyed.
Getting a lot of “if you don’t like it here leave” sorta vibes.
TrumpPutin 2.0When is the press confetence where he has elderly people beaten with sticks?
Melania’s getting nervous is what I hear. A lot of very young and capable americans out there.
Not content with being a Russian asset and Convicted Felon, Donald is apparently straight shooting for War Crimes now.
Always have been.
no wonder he wants to leave UN.
This is evil. The US needs an armed resistance at this point having said that there is no organization, there is no structure or any groups that I know of to join. Individuals acting on their own won’t do much, who are people supposed to go after? Where do you find them, how do you achieve the goal? These questions are much more easily answered with an organized resistance. If my country is going to go down this route we have to have this in place first. Until this happens I wouldn’t expect much from the people in the US who want to go this route because they want to be able to make a meaningful impact not just become mass shooters hopefully taking down the right people.
Not that it helps organize, but I also work at a custom AR shop, if lemmings have questions about firearms I’d be happy to assist.
You want to talk of insurrection? We Americans have the FBI and NSA to worry about, so don’t count on hearing about partisan activity before it actually happens.
They’re more than likely in disarray right now because of all the mass firings and various insanity going on at the top of those departments.
Positives, people!
If you don’t have one, MAKE ONE.
Also, individuals can do a lot more than you think
“This is evil”
Stephen Miller has entered the chat.
Just ask the fucking Canadians, they have all the answers on what we SHOULD do.
No answers, but I for one might just have an idea of what you could do.
The ICE fucks who are ordered to arrest Ukrainians here fleeing wartime (children, mothers, elderly) better fucking resign and/or blatantly refuse this shit. If not, these traitors should be executed right along with trump and vance.
Good people don’t become ICE.
Good people don’t become and remain any sort of unlawful enforcement officer. ACAC. All Cops Are Criminals.
I’m a Latino and I’ve always seen ice as the Gestapo of your country, I’m glad everyone else is seeing it. Ice has been a hellhole where the most evil and destructive humans end up working from its beginning.
They are a scapegoat in my opinion for presidents and congress. Congress can’t or won’t pass sensible immigration reform laws, so instead they just throw money into ICE knowing it’s always been a boondogle, but pretend like they are somehow addressing the issue.
Obviously ICE attracts some terrible people, but it would barely need to even exist if our politicians were willing to pass policy changes.
they source all the employees from southern states no doubt, or people who share conservative values or at least former military, where else would these people get jobs.
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In nazi land, everyone becomes illegal eventually
Exhibit A. This article.
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I’m native, i don’t need any incentive to stand against you and your fascist wannabes no matter what they cal themselves
Not resign, only refuse
This traitor is destroying all our allegiances. In a single month.
It’s time for America to accept that we have placed a literal traitor in the highest office.
And it’s time for us to man the fuck up and start adhering to our fucking Constitution. We’re letting a felon rapist traitor fuck our future.
Who’s going to do it? All I see is a bunch of internet talk. There’s no leadership. Just a bunch of ppl scared and posting online or emailing/calling senators. We especially need straight white men standing up. The dem paddle holding was just pathetic.
Talk eventually becomes action, if there is enough of it. By people agreeing with each other, they eventually normalize a thought. It could be something mundane like “this drawn girl is cute”, and eventually snowball into “Last night’s Hatsune Miku concert was rad, met twenty other cosplayers!”
Let people talk. It how communities become real.
Yes at the end of the day it was white people who put us in this position being the majority of voters for trump. My wife and I are both POC and our respective populations were majority voting for Harris. We are the most obvious people on the chopping block for death camps. I can understand people being frustrated with Americans in general but POC have always been marginalized and our populations not big enough, we aren’t at fault for this but far too many are acting as if it is. We don’t have left wing milita groups as far as I know. I’ve never heard of any where I live. We don’t have organized resistance set up on our end and I have no fucking clue how to get organized like that and not make rookie mistakes that would get people killed/imprisoned before they could do anything meaningful. I do believe however that much of the ‘hate’ we are seeing directed at us is being fanned heavily russian/chinese/iranian troll groups to artificially grow a divide between left leaning Americans and the rest of the world.
We don’t have organized resistance set up on our end and I have no fucking clue how to get organized like that and not make rookie mistakes that would get people killed/imprisoned before they could do anything meaningful.
This is not and endorsement of these organizations, but it’s a place to start research from that won’t feel as much like flailing in the dark.
I really don’t know what to do. I’ve got kids. I don’t want to be imprisoned. I don’t want to die and I don’t want them to die. Sad that it comes to this, but it is what it is. The only thing that brings me solace is that almost as many ppl voted for Harris as him. And honestly she was kind of a weak candidate. Wasn’t a big fan of Biden or her. Is the only way to survive to leave the country?
https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf
There are many ways to resist friend. What you can, where you can, however you can.
Krasnov’s got his own cabinet afraid to dissent, nevermind the cowardly Libs he’s pwning.
The world is watching you, Murca, and we’re turning away from you while you let this happen. On your streets, none of you are willing to admit you were lied to. You can’t afford this ignorance.
As someone that is part of the demographics eventually under attack by Krasnov I need the protected class to stand up. I would leave the country if I could. Not easy to do for everyone.
Thanks for sharing. I really hope there is such a thing as the protected class in Murcan future.
As Krasnov says, they don’t have any cards. Only the bullies of the world will have cards in his game.
The amount of friends I have who are perfectly normal and sane people who are bringing up in casual conversations the hope for Trump to be assassinated is insanely high. I’m in Canada.
Sometimes I feel like I was the only one who remembered that this is what it was like the last time he was in office. Just every day some fresh hell, like a treadmill of anger and grief until the only real reason to protest is so that they don’t drive you permanently numb.
The scope of this new order is hard to contemplate. 0.77 million people who are being shown the door today. Our colossus is in need of a new credo.
“Give me your billionaires, your oligarchs, Your hunched war criminals yearning for the Lolita Express, The wretched refuse of your banking sectors. Send these, the landlords, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden arches!"
Edit to add: I know that it is currently only a plan. I do not need to bicker with anyone about this.
Im not American so I probably didn’t see a lot of this but my lasting impression was a lot of blustering and shit slinging but no real action or substance. Like everything he tried or promised either didn’t get done or was half arsed. Basically i saw it as incompetence and damage through inaction rather than the malicious active damage he is doing now.
You are partially right. For US Presidents, implementing policy is much harder than declaring it, something IIRC Bush and Obama echoed.
But on top of that, Trump had a lot of guardrails in the first term, a lot of old school Republicans and “regular” cabinet that watered down whatever ideas he had.
That is no longer the case. It’s only loyalists egging each other on now. And there’s already a lot more bite, it’s just so much that it’s hard to process.
He did a huge amount of harm to our government. Not quite like this time, where most of what he is doing is outright illegal and is essentially a soft coup, but really bad nonetheless - just mostly aimed at making him money and getting/keeping political power instead of destryoying the country. Much of that was outright illegal, but a lot of it was just breaches of “norms” and “decorum”.
I literally can’t fit it all into one comment, its so much and such a convoluted web of schemes and lies and crimes and support from other politicians/lawyers/the media. And every day was something new. I followed all the legal cases relating to his admin back in the first term - it was hard to keep up with even while it was all happening. Much of the reason he was never charged or indicted for so much of what he did is that you can’t criminally indict a sitting president.
The Mueller investigation into the Trump administration’s conduct with Russian political operatives found that he more than likely illegally colluded with Russia to the detriment of the US and to defraud and disenfranchise voters, but literally couldn’t charge Trump since he was a sitting president - hoping instead that someone would pick up the investigation when he could be charged. It is notable that that investigation produced 37 indictments and 7 convictions/guilty pleas, referred 14 more cases to DoJ for prosecution, and recovered like $48M in misappropriated government funds (the investigation cost $32M, so it was actually profitable). So, this investigation couldn’t prosecute Trump, but 34 people in his administration were indicted and the findings of the report suggested they would have prosecuted Trump if they were legally allowed to. That says all you need to know, IMO.
Not being able to indict a sitting president is the biggest bullshit policy of all time. Nobody should be above the law, especially the people in power.
It was also only based upon a DOJ memo of some sorts for a long time. The “Supreme Court”'s recent decision though makes it seem like the only legal remedy for an active criminal president is to impeach and then convict and remove them first.
It drove me crazy how much people acted like the Mueller investigation exonerated Trump completely. It absolutely did not and everyone just dropped the topic after it came out. Even Rachel Maddow who seemed to be desperately chasing her Woodward and Bernstein moment with her coverage of the investigation seemed to stop talking about the investigation as soon as the report came out as if there wasn’t anything to talk about, even though a bunch of Trump allies were charged and convicted for engaging in secret dealings with agents related to Russia.
MSNBC at the end of the day is a for-profit business.
This becomes what russian hegemonic law looks like in the US. The DOJ does whatever the Kremlin wants or needs on this, a sharp departure from other administrations or even other jurisdictions such as blue states. We become a patchwork of neomedieval geoplitical clashes constantly caught in between the jurisprudential spheres of entirely conflicting global and financial agendas. Individual politicians and public servants serving throughout the government become agents of different global factions and different hegemonies and the people are continually subjected not just to unstable and unreliable patterns of legal text and texts indicating some kind of public policy but to endlessly shifting pretext of every type to the jurisprudence and statecraft themselves. The federal government has been collapsing for a while but this just makes it faster than it has been.
Yeah, his first time around there were people who kept his worst ideas from being realized and drove away the worst of his associates. This time around those people are gone and he is surrounded by those associates and even worse people like Musk.
I remember stories from Trump’s first term about how his handlers had to babysit him and do things like hide his rough drafts of orders planning to go to war (he’d calm down and forget about them by the next day). It reminds me of the (hopefully apocryphal) story of how Nixon had to be lead to bed when he got roaring drunk and started threatening to nuke North Korea.
The staffers also preserved the documents he (illegally) shredded as a matter of habit, so scholars will hopefully be able to piece together what was going on in that hot mess someday.
None of those handlers are there this term. Trump spent the four years since his first term campaigning and gathering a crew of sycophantic parasites to do his bidding, and we have no view into what’s going on behind closed doors. The “checks and balances” every American was taught about as a child seem to be doing nothing, with him flagrantly ignoring them without reprisal.
I hope the US gets out of this as an intact democracy and without alienating every single ally in existence. People here don’t seem to realize how bad an antagonistic America would be - they have the military and logistics to take on half the world without nukes, and Trump has been very open (almost giddy) about his willingness to use those.
And a civil war would be worse since the government is wholly controlled by what most
wouldshould consider the bad guys and the military is trained to follow the chain of command, and Trump is openly purging top officials and replacing them with loyalists.Ugh, sorry for the rant. The last decade has been exhausting.
Welp. This kind of makes sense. He’s hard to read because he’s obviously stupid but he isn’t only doing obvious stupid things, so that reading meaning into his words and actions feels like reading tea leaves. I think he’s kind of like a dumb, reactive bull and his handlers are goading him and corralling him into breaking only the things they want broken, or leaving him occupied with what they don’t care about.
Sorry, I know it’s unfair but trump is the responsibility of american society and american people. It’s down to Americans to stop him, preferably before he unleashes war on the rest of us. It also needs to happen sooner rather than later, as it will only get harder to get them out.
I’ve got an idea. Aside from marching etc - Every sane person go outside and bang a pot at 8pm – every evening. This is a safer way to protest, not too inconvenient but its loud, noticeable and gets reported in the news.
I hope the US gets out of this as an intact democracy and without alienating every single ally in existence.
It’s about 50/50 whether the US will be able to maintain any semblance of democracy.
The alliances are effectively dead already. Dropping military support to a country during an active war is a huge no-no. No one will ever trust the US ever again. It doesn’t matter if there’s a Democrat president in 2029, no one can trust the American people to not vote in a betrayer like Trump again. The first time Trump was president, it was like “they didn’t know who they were voting for.” Just a bump in the road of democracy. This time, Americans knew what they were voting for.
And we talk to Americans on the internet, we know that Americans don’t respect their allies. The soldiers of allied countries that sacrificed everything in Afghanistan and Iraq doesn’t even register with most Americans. There is too little sense of honour in the American population. Americans only care about money now, and that’s not a motivation that can be trusted by anyone.
Sorry, but Americans are too untrustworthy for meaningful alliances to be possible.
And we talk to Americans on the internet, we know that Americans don’t respect their allies. The soldiers of allied countries that sacrificed everything in Afghanistan and Iraq doesn’t even register with most Americans. There is too little sense of honour in the American population. Americans only care about money now, and that’s not a motivation that can be trusted by anyone.
I agree that how the US treated its allies is abominable (our abandonment of local guides and translators, who were promised a place in America for risking the lives of themselves and their families, to be murdered by the Taliban/ISIS should be persecuted as a crime - not to mention the minorities left to die to appease larger powers, such as the Kurds, Armenians, and now Ukrainians). However, most Americans don’t know about any of this.
Most Americans are living in a bubble that hides or vastly distorts anything outside of it. Our media is hyper-focused on a narrow band of issues that gets guaranteed views (mostly culture wars that said media invented or spread in the first place) and only pays lip service to anything outside of that. For many, “news” means pithy one-liners and relentless attacks on the other side. They’re told some minor issue is the single most important thing right now and are so whipped up they don’t look outside to see the world is burning. The right-wing media is an endless parade of hate, while the left complains about said right while offering no solutions. Neutral media is a joke, and foreign news has no foothold outside individual posts being shared if they agree with a person’s existing position. Major news gets cycled out after mere days and is quickly buried by the next meaningless story. It’s a constant cavalcade of worthless noise that obscures any actual reporting.
If America could somehow shrug off the 24-jour news hype cycle and see what’s actually happening in the world, I think you’d find there’s a great deal of empathy in the populace - it’d be hard to stir up an audience if they didn’t care about something. Sadly, I can’t see such a thing ever happening - the biggest shakeup in news this decade was Fox being called “woke” and what was once tabloid trash becoming accepted sources amongst the right, even getting dedicated reporting positions in the government while traditional media was kicked out. So if anything it’s only going to get worse, with the addiction to drama and outrage leading half the country even further into isolation and delusion.
That’s because the first term was to prepare
The first term, the Democrats controlled at least one branch of government.
And the courts were partly sane
But the powerful people behind the scenes who are using him as a figurehead learned a lot from his first term and have been developing their plans for years since then. Biden winning a term just gave them more time to work on it. Though there’s still chaos like last time (so we don’t pay attention to the Project 2025 actions ), we see the lightning-fast implementation of their agenda from Day One: Schedule F (getting rid of civil service workers to be replaced with loyalists), firing the inspectors general to remove a major obstacle to implementing, the rash of executive orders for everything from the shibboleth “Gulf of America” to declaring a national state of emergency to clear the way for everything else. Trump’s impulsivity can sometimes get in the way, but he’s otherwise the perfect figurehead because he also agrees with the agenda.
Sometimes I feel like I was the only one who remembered that this is what it was like the last time he was in office
I feel like it’s worse this time. Darker. We didn’t have the Ukraine or Israeli war. We didn’t have perverse AI videos like the Gaza video with a giant golden Trump statue.
2016 was the rise of Trump. Right now we are in the age of Trump. Trump is steadily increasing his power and I believe fairly soon he will be able to more or less unilaterally control the federal government as he continues his purges.
It’s far, far worse this time.
Last go around sure, there would be a fucked up tweet almost every day, but much fewer actual changes. Yeah Trump did some fucked up shit over those 4 years, but he’s done more fucked up shit in the last month than in that whole term.
Yeah his first term was mind-melting, nonstop nonsense. Same again now but even worse. I can’t believe people are so easily capable of forgetting.
What really pisses me off is all the newspapers that have acted like he wasn’t president for four years. As if there isn’t already examples of how the guy acts.
Constant sane washing, I think it’s like human nature for people to try and help and improve other peoples faults, even subconsciously, and they help him along in small ways and we all suffer for it. He’s just evil and terrible. Say it, all media. He’s evil and terrible, it’s a fact.
Or decades of behavior before that. Fun fact, he was denied a permit to open a casino in Australia due to his clear ties to Russian organized crime* - in 1987.
* For those unfamiliar, Russian organized crime is deeply entrenched with the actual Russian government - hence the term “Mafia State”.
That is a large amount of people being sent back to a country where there is a good possibility that they will be killed. The country that is throwing them out (the US) has a lot of sympathetic people to their cause…and a lot of easily accessible guns.
Golden Arches works, but now we can use Golden Dome too.
I remember hearing Trump’s foreign policy described as “isolationist.”
He’s not an isolationist.
He’s on Russia’s side.
I would prefer if he were an isolationist.
This, and I would go further. There is no such thing as right and left for russian puppets. Their “ideology” is whatever is needed for their particular populace and the only thing aligning them around the world is the trail of money.
Amazing that there are still groups of people looking at these decisions and trying to discern the rationale behind them as if there was any. Mental Olympics at this point.
Well then the next step is actual betrayal of Ukraine by giving their intel to Russia.
Never mind he’s probably already doing so.
So at this point it’s not even illegals but those that have gone through the effort to obtain status. What the actual fuck.
Well, in this case, why not just deport Trump?
Or at least his wife.
Would he notice at this point?
What. The. Fuck. He’s throwing all his toys out of the pram to get the minerals. That’s all this is. He’s a toddler screaming himself purple, being dragged out of the store.
He doesn’t give a fuck about the minerals. This is all Putin’s bidding. Zelensky never had a deal, and Traitor Trump never intended to honour it. Next up is the dismantling of NATO, which is already partially done.
He’s certainly trying to get the minerals without any legally binding agreement to put American troops in Ukraine. Whether he really wants them (or its just an excuse) and massive question over whether he can be trusted to abide by even legally binding agreements. What would the consequences of the US reneging be? I wouldn’t take anything for granted with trump and the magas.
Tell me Trump is a Russian asset without saying he’s a Russian asset.
I hate that i can understand this with my 0.001 knowledge of russian. You are not my brother, you are my state* (oblast)
How does this specifically benefit russia? Ukraine government is drafting people by force and not allowing any male between 18-60 from leaving the country.
0.7M more people who the government needs to handle logistics and civil infrastructure for. It’s about trying to exhaust the war resources in ways that don’t directly influence the war in Ukraine’s favor.
And 0.7m people working. Ukraine is suffering a labor shortage because of the war. Unless these are old or infirm people, people tend to produce more with there labor then they take out in government services. This is one of the reasons immigration is a good thing and why this is a bad move for the u.s.
It’s a lot to assume these people would make it back to Ukraine. This move isn’t about directly benefiting Russia. It’s meant to hurt Ukrainians and anyone who supports them for daring to defy Russia.
