Schiff, a prominent Democrat and leading Senate candidate, said he has "serious concerns" about whether President Joe Biden can defeat former President Donald Trump.
This is insane pressure on Biden to step down. I hope it gets through to him. I dread to think of what happens with such division in the party going into the nomination process.
Prominent sitting congressmembers publicly asking for the presumptive nominee and incumbent president to step down is… very outside of the norm. It is an incredible and unprecedented pressure.
The norm sucks. The fucking norm got us into this mess by discouraging people from primarying a sitting president. If we’d had a robust primary we’d either be fully on board with Biden or we’d have dropped him already.
Fuck norm. He was like the worst character on Cheers.
sitting congressmembers publicly asking for the presumptive nominee and incumbent president to step down
Not enough hyperbole dude. I don’t have time to do the research, but its not clear to me that a situation where the incumbent president and presumptive nominee is being asked to step down by effectively ALL of the rest of party leadership, with only the fringe block (progressives) maintaining support.
I think i can recall a vaguely similar situation with maybe Grover Cleveland and the mugwumps? And iirc that was all about currency (gold vs silver vs fiat vs a historical aside: land based currency; worth reading on)…
idk if you’ve been following the Republican convention, but needless to say, they appear to be very…
“energized”
The democrats need a massive shot in the arm to even have a shot at this point, replacing Biden or naught. The assassination attempt provided a kind of rallying cry for MAGA/ Trumpers that polling won’t capture. Polling is good at capturing the distribution of demographics, but what it misses is how “activated” those demographics are. And boy-howdy, do Trumps key demographics seem activated. Possibly the most activated they’ve ever been, maybe even more-so than post 2020/J6.
If things don’t change massively, and even then, its a super difficult path for Democrats to come back from the situation that Blue MAGA has set up.
Maybe the AOC/ Bernie triangulation is setting up for throwing AOC onto the platform?
Harris/ AOC and the entire platform is: Women liberty and freedom of choice is our focus. If you elect us, our entire focus will be a constitutional amendment supporting a woman’s right to choose. Harris can activate the African American community. Women & the African American community to get NC & GA (maybe?). Let Harris or AOC put out better rhetoric on Gaza and WI/ MI/ MN can be back in play?
Like they’ve got to activate a/ any demographic and make this campaign about SOMETHING, because right now, it looks like the Democrats are stumbling into something similar to this:
There have been some signficant and I think legitimate concerns that if any one but Harris replaces Biden, African Americans, specificially African American women will see this her VP pick as having been purely performative, when its widely acknowledged that Africian American women, specifically, helped deliver Biden the white house.
I think its a legitimate concern and I have no problem with Harris as candidate. Literally any one has a better shot than Joe Biden at this point. Editorially, I think a double woman progressive ticket could be the thing that gets the car back on the road, but I truly do not give a shit. I don’t care if its Andy Beshear. Anyone and everyone would be doing better than Joe Biden is currently.
It sounds exactly like a “Hey, our MAGA people are insane and worship a really stupid guy for [reasons no rational person understands], so obviously they have a group of people who are equally insane!” when no one worships Biden; it’s just the alternative is too nuts to ever vote for.
More recent examples are things like Whoopi saying she’d be voting for Joe Biden even if he was shitting his pants on stage. Or Joy Reid saying she’d vote for Biden if he was in a coma. If that resonates with you, you are probably blue maga.
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Writing for the Guardian, 15 years ago, the cult expert Rick Ross warned us to “watch out for the tell-tale signs” of a cult, including “no tolerance for questions or critical inquiry”, “there is no legitimate reason to leave”, “former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil”, and “the group/ leader is always right”.
Anyone who has observed the behaviour of the Democratic party base, especially online; of elected Democrats on Capitol Hill; and of the Democratic president himself, since the CNN debate on 28 June, will have spotted some of those “tell-tale signs”.
Let’s start with the Democratic base – those “hyper-partisans” who “act like members of a cult because they treat their political party like a religious identity”, to quote the political strategist Chris Sosa. I have spent the past few weeks watching the Very Online members of the base embracing an endless stream of “Blue Anon” conspiracy theories, pushed on behalf of the Dear Leader.
You realize that people only say that stuff to emphasize that it literally doesn’t matter what the person running against Trump does, they’ll vote for them to keep him out of office, right? It’s less a sweeping declaration of loyalty for a political party/cult of personality, and more an affirmation for how badly they want to keep Trump out of office.
This is insane pressure on Biden to step down. I hope it gets through to him. I dread to think of what happens with such division in the party going into the nomination process.
Depends:
Biden on the ballot? We have a chance, albeit slim thanks to all the hand-wringing making people stay home (remember, that’s what the cons want)
Biden off the ballot? FAILED EVERY OTHER TIME, SO WHAT’RE WE THINKING?!?
Perfect doesn’t exist except in the doubts of Good Enough.
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Prominent sitting congressmembers publicly asking for the presumptive nominee and incumbent president to step down is… very outside of the norm. It is an incredible and unprecedented pressure.
The norm sucks. The fucking norm got us into this mess by discouraging people from primarying a sitting president. If we’d had a robust primary we’d either be fully on board with Biden or we’d have dropped him already.
Fuck norm. He was like the worst character on Cheers.
Thems fighting words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3LMSflEN54
Ha, I wanted a Cheers reference and so I dropped that one but it also did cause me pain. Norm is exceedingly chill.
Not enough hyperbole dude. I don’t have time to do the research, but its not clear to me that a situation where the incumbent president and presumptive nominee is being asked to step down by effectively ALL of the rest of party leadership, with only the fringe block (progressives) maintaining support.
I think i can recall a vaguely similar situation with maybe Grover Cleveland and the mugwumps? And iirc that was all about currency (gold vs silver vs fiat vs a historical aside: land based currency; worth reading on)…
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Obama has called. Pelosi has called. Schiff has called. How far you gonna pedal these goal posts?
Nobody gives a shit about Pelosi, she should have quit in the last decade.
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idk if you’ve been following the Republican convention, but needless to say, they appear to be very…
“energized”
The democrats need a massive shot in the arm to even have a shot at this point, replacing Biden or naught. The assassination attempt provided a kind of rallying cry for MAGA/ Trumpers that polling won’t capture. Polling is good at capturing the distribution of demographics, but what it misses is how “activated” those demographics are. And boy-howdy, do Trumps key demographics seem activated. Possibly the most activated they’ve ever been, maybe even more-so than post 2020/J6.
If things don’t change massively, and even then, its a super difficult path for Democrats to come back from the situation that Blue MAGA has set up.
Maybe the AOC/ Bernie triangulation is setting up for throwing AOC onto the platform?
Harris/ AOC and the entire platform is: Women liberty and freedom of choice is our focus. If you elect us, our entire focus will be a constitutional amendment supporting a woman’s right to choose. Harris can activate the African American community. Women & the African American community to get NC & GA (maybe?). Let Harris or AOC put out better rhetoric on Gaza and WI/ MI/ MN can be back in play?
Like they’ve got to activate a/ any demographic and make this campaign about SOMETHING, because right now, it looks like the Democrats are stumbling into something similar to this:
Lolwat
There have been some signficant and I think legitimate concerns that if any one but Harris replaces Biden, African Americans, specificially African American women will see this her VP pick as having been purely performative, when its widely acknowledged that Africian American women, specifically, helped deliver Biden the white house.
I think its a legitimate concern and I have no problem with Harris as candidate. Literally any one has a better shot than Joe Biden at this point. Editorially, I think a double woman progressive ticket could be the thing that gets the car back on the road, but I truly do not give a shit. I don’t care if its Andy Beshear. Anyone and everyone would be doing better than Joe Biden is currently.
We need Arnold Swartzeneger as VP
He can’t I don’t think, you have to be born in the US to be pres right?
Are they really going to impeach Arnold?
Wat
No worries there. No matter who would replace Biden, past attempts show it’s guaranteed failure.
Swap Biden and a loss is assured.
Is it though? How are you so assured?
It’s her Stand
Biden has Blue MAGA and Harris has the African American Community
Once they activate their Stands it is over for whatever this guy is trying to sell
The shit you people invent.
Is this African American community in the room with us right now?
I think y’all over state ability of ex federal prosecutor to resonate with the black community. Kinda tone deaf tbh
Lol I was kidding. A Stand is from JoJo’s bizarre adventure
All of this!
How long until Blue MAGA starts calling Schiff a Russian bot? /s
what the fuck is blue maga? that is the most propaganda ass name lmfao
It sounds exactly like a “Hey, our MAGA people are insane and worship a really stupid guy for [reasons no rational person understands], so obviously they have a group of people who are equally insane!” when no one worships Biden; it’s just the alternative is too nuts to ever vote for.
You can tell some of these people are perpetually online and act like regular people are out there acting /thinking this way when they’re just not.
Like we see the strings buddy, we know this is puppetry and we see the narrative you’re selling lmfao
Its not a remotely new thing. Its been around since 2017.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/blue-maga
A 2020 primary meme describing it:
More recent examples are things like Whoopi saying she’d be voting for Joe Biden even if he was shitting his pants on stage. Or Joy Reid saying she’d vote for Biden if he was in a coma. If that resonates with you, you are probably blue maga.
This is a meme someone made this means nothing. Blue Maga is not a thing taking snippets of what dummies say is called creating a narrative
It is Bernie Bros 2.0, a name the Clinton team created to try and gender Bernie supporters
Aka, propaganda
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/15/democrats-joe-biden-maga
A guardian article that makes it really real 🙄
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Ok, but you are like, in denial/ denying something exists.
Like, your thoughts or opinions around what blue-maga is or its existence are irrelevant.
This term appeared in the last what like two weeks?
There are posts about it, kids like you running around repeating it and any questions gets you the same four articles slammed in your face.
No, that’s coordinated lmfao. Nobody supports Joe that much they just stand against this dividing crumbling party.
It is literally propaganda and I’m pretty sure most of us see that lol
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Blue Maga is not a thing, get a life
You realize that people only say that stuff to emphasize that it literally doesn’t matter what the person running against Trump does, they’ll vote for them to keep him out of office, right? It’s less a sweeping declaration of loyalty for a political party/cult of personality, and more an affirmation for how badly they want to keep Trump out of office.
https://www.newsweek.com/blue-maga-joe-biden-defense-debate-trump-1922193
Roll my fuckin eyes