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    It’s a legally distinct but de facto integrated part of the Israeli government. Anyone claiming otherwise is ignorant, delusional, or dishonest.

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      Do you realize that you are accusing 3 million American citizens who are all Jews, of being Israeli government agents?

      Do you see how that comes off to people who are not already in your bubble?

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        you are accusing 3 million American citizens who are all Jews, of being Israeli government agents?

        I am not, no. I am correctly pointing out that AIPAC is a de facto Israeli government agency which has support from both Jewish and gentile Zionists.

        You’re the only one conflating Jewdom and Zionism. Which is ACTUALLY antisemitic.

        Do YOU see how THAT comes off to people who are not already in YOUR bubble?

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          Ahh, yes, the people who call out antisemitism and incorrect statements are the true antisemites.

          Lol, you have shown your true colors and I won’t be engaging any further.

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            the people who call out criticism of AIPAC antisemitism are the true antisemites engaging in the antisemitic trope of equating all Jewish people with the genocidal actions of a fascist apartheid regime

            There, fixed your ridiculous strawman to reflect my ACTUAL claim.

            Lol, you have shown your true colors and I won’t be engaging any further

            Good. Less genocide apologia and false accusations for me to refute.

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              I never equated all Jews with Israel.

              But please, feel free to continue lying. With practice you may actually eventually get good at it.

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                I won’t be engaging any further.

                Ron Howard voice but they did

                I never equated all Jews with Israel

                Ron Howard voice but they had

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                  Please provide the text of my saying all jews are equated with Israel.

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                You equated Jews in general with the Israeli government agency AIPAC, accusing me of antisemitism based on my factual criticism of AIPAC. That’s basically the same thing.

                Weren’t you going to stop engaging, though? I guess you were lying about that too 🤷

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                  You think I am a supporter of AIPAC just because I corrected a factually incorrect statement?

                  Oh lord, you are not bright.

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                    You think I am a supporter of AIPAC

                    Nope. Never said that.

                    because I corrected a factually incorrect statement? jumped to the incorrect conclusion that AIPAC isn’t part of the Israeli government and that claiming otherwise is antisemitic

                    Fixed your “alternative facts” again.

                    Oh lord, you are not bright

                    This you?

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        AIPAC does not have 3 million lobbyists and they aren’t all Jews. Stop being sensational.

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          I didn’t say AIPAC had 3 million lobbyists.

          If all you guys can do is purposefully misconstrue everything your opposition says, it probably means you are wrong.

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            That’s who has to register as foreign agents. The lobbyists. Because it’s about tracking foreign influence in the government. You could donate money to the British royal family today, that doesn’t make you a foreign agent.

            Do you get it yet?

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              I would also point out that the 3 million members of AIPAC are not donating to Israel, they are donating to AIPAC.

              Unless a lobby group has been sanctioned, all Americans can donate to whatever PAC they see fit. That’s called the first amendment.

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                  The laws of the US state that money is speech and Americans are allowed to use their speech to support political causes.

                  But if the argument is that 3 million American Jews aren’t American enough, I am going to hold your feet to the fire on that.

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              So you entered a conversation by pretending I said something I didn’t and when told thats what you were doing, you decided that meant I don’t know what lobbying meant.

              It’s good to see you are up to the same bad faith tricks you have been since I arrived here, June of last year. Never change, my friend, though that goes without saying, since you clearly never intend to.

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                Do you realize that you are accusing 3 million American citizens who are all Jews, of being Israeli government agents?

                This was you yeah?

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                  I understand the confusion now.

                  If you scroll up you will see the other person referred to AIPAC as the Israeli government and claimed they were funding the whole operation.

                  I pointed out that what they were saying was incorrect. It appears you and i are in agreement here and your comment was meant for the person you thought you were defending.

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                    No. Nobody believes AIPAC’s donating members are working for Israel. That’s entirely your fiction.