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A 24-year-old Tifton woman faces criminal charges after experiencing a miscarriage, raising concerns about the application of Georgia’s strict abortion legislation.
What We Know: Selena Maria Chandler-Scott was arrested and charged with concealing the death of another person and abandonment of a dead body following a medical emergency on March 20. According to police reports, emergency services responded to Brookfield Mews Apartments around 6 a.m. Thursday after receiving a call about an unconscious woman who was bleeding. Medical personnel determined she had suffered a miscarriage and transported her to Tift Regional Medical Center for treatment.
Police claim a witness reported that Chandler-Scott had placed the fetal remains in a bag and disposed of it in a dumpster outside the apartment complex. Officers later recovered these remains, which were sent for autopsy.
The Autopsy: According to the autopsy, the fetus was 19 weeks old at the time of the miscarriage. There were no signs of trauma and the fetus did not take a breath. The coroner’s office ruled it to be a occurring miscarriage. At 19 weeks, a fetus is about the size of a mango and lungs are just beginning to develop but are not fully developed yet.
In Context: Georgia’s “heartbeat law,” officially the Living Infants Fairness and Equality (LIFE) Act, bans most abortions after about six weeks of pregnancy. The law also grants personhood status to embryos and fetuses, potentially exposing women who miscarry to criminal charges if authorities believe they contributed to the pregnancy loss or improperly handled fetal remains.
Reproductive rights advocates have warned that such laws could criminalize women experiencing pregnancy complications or miscarriages. According to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, miscarriages occur in about 10-20% of known pregnancies, with most happening in the first trimester.
What Should Women Who Miscarry Do?: We asked several Tifton Police Department and Tift County officials what women who miscarry should do with the remains of the fetus. So far, only Tift District Attorney Patrick Warren has answered and said typically miscarriages are not handled in this manner.
“There is no applicable case law on this issue as it is generally deemed a medical condition and prosecution is not warranted. Georgia courts have held that once a baby is ‘born alive and has had an independent and separate existence from its mother’ then what happens to the child (injury or death) will be subject to criminal prosecution,” Warren said.
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Georgia courts have held that once a baby is ‘born alive and has had an independent and separate existence from its mother’ then what happens to the child (injury or death) will be subject to criminal prosecution,” Warren said.
…then why isn’t that what the law says? Basically admits completely by accident that a fetus isn’t a person. But you don’t get to control people that way.
So how long until the first underground railroads for young women are set up?
I mean, I am already talking with American LGBQT about being on the Canadian side to receive them. But it looks like we’ll need to set one up for women, as well.
I’m sure they already do. The very nature of them dictates you will almost never hear about them. Asking where the abortion underground railroad is would be akin to asking for directions to the local black market.
I’ve honestly been thinking of buying a cheap house for this purpose.
not too big, in a quiet area where there’s not many neighbors, let the neighbors know it’s for an “airbnb app” or something so as not to arouse suspicion when many people come and go.
I’ve also been thinking of how one could write an app that could share where these safehouses are without actually endangering anyone.
It’s already happening but not everyone realizes the danger yet.
I’m a trans lady who’s freshly unemployed and looking to get to the other side, do you have any suggestions/resources for getting work or getting into grad school? I know this is a lot to ask in a random thread, so no pressure.
Anyone else remember the unhinged right saying normal Americans were being hysterical when talking about Gilead states after the corrupted donvict court struck down 50 years of law?
r/Sentencemurder
This isn’t Reddit.
Prolly not a real sub either
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In Context: Georgia’s “heartbeat law,” officially the Living Infants Fairness and Equality (LIFE) Act
Wait. Are we doing DEI again?
Yep, select groups only.
And if you have to ask, no you’re too poor.
Nobody wants this but it might be time for women to collectively put their vaginas on strike. Shit would change in a week.
More likely legal rape first
I don’t trust the Magaturds to not force themselves on women anyways.
As written in 411 BCE by Aristophanes as Lysistrata
It was supposed to be a comedy, not reality
It also worked for Þjódhild Jorundsdottir when she refused to sleep with Erik the Red until he converted to Christianity.
That’s hilarious
I recommend this movie version: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisístrata
We can’t have children, the way we do it.
“Raising concerns”
Y’all should be raising some firearms and exercising your second amendment rights.
Not many 2A defenders around these days.
“But we need it to be able to revolt in case of a fascist takeover of the government!”
Ted Knight really crushed this role
I’m honestly not even sure where it’s from.
Caddyshack
Knick knack paddy whack give the pole a caddyshack
It’s mostly about shooting colored folks…
it’s up to us, not conservatives. don’t bother with pointing out hypocrisy. arm yourself.
No need brother, I’m Finnish.
I wear a leather jacket and have some abs so knifes won’t kill me as easy and guns are very rare in Finland. Also I do have a keychain that’s basically two finger brass knuckles and a pepper spray (which I might add is illegal in Finland). That’s honestly being somewhat highly armed for a Finn.
I didn’t used to have either but bought them a few months ago when I this junkie got mad at me for telling him the bus filled to the brim at 2pm isn’t the place to sing drunken karaoke.
I mean I could’ve prolly taken him, but I also know him from when I used to drink with my neighbour who sat like 10 years for murder, so I’d prefer not to get into a life or death situation with a person like that as either I’ll probably have to take a life or give mine and I’m not ready to give mine so…
Pepperspray should be enough to disable punks like that though without having to get physical. But you can get an assault charge for using one because you’d need a permit for one.
I do have a bow hanging by my door but the poundage is quite small.
I could legally get like a somewhat high powered air pistol. They even make like short shotgun models out of them and you can buy all sorts of nasty-ass arrows into them and the launch velocity is nothing to sniff at.
The rubber bullets would hurt, but they wouldn’t stop an assailant. But a few arrows to center mass? That could.
And I sure the steelballs, even once with rubber coating, make one think twice about approaching. But with the sawed off shotty that can be armed with arrows you only get two shots. Then there’s like basic pistol equivalents 0.43 balls 9 in a clip or smth. And a revolver and that can be loaded with sharp ammo as well. Like a tiny spike. The magazine ones don’t take those.
https://www.airsoftnet.fi/en/t4e-guns/2456-umarex-t4e-hdx-68-cal-40-joule-shotgun.html
Shit like that.
But no-one really needs them. You know what we do for home safety? Good doors, sturdy walls and proper locks.
Lmao
my rhetoric is aimed at americans. unless you’re coming to join us you can disregard my posts.
“You can’t talk to or about Americans if you’re not American”
Edit my point roughly earlier being just to chat and also Americans can buy these less-lethal weapons for defense as well. Sinking a 9mm slug into someone has a very high chance to kill I’d say compared to rubber bullets even if you roar and act like the Punisher and dish them out by the dozens. So like for people who don’t want to kill other people but still seek defensive capability…? Perhaps?
the best defense is a good offense
Also good doors are a pretty hood defense.
I know one Albanian born side who lived in NYC since he was like 2-3, so pretty much a native American. Dude told me it’s so weird how you “need two hands to open a door in Finland”.
I hadn’t thought of it, but yeah, sort of. You can open it one handed but it requires a bit of grip strength. Or sometimes you actually do require two hands, one to unlock the door and one to turn the handle.
Our locks are so good that lock picking lawyer has only picked the one that’s from like 1907. I don’t know whether anyone can pick the newer models, like even the older newer ones, like exec. And exec 2 is far more secure.
Is This Novelty Lock Better Than EVERY Master Lock?
This is a novelty lock with the 1907 patent. LPL says it’s as or more pick-resistant than any MasterLock.
This is what my door looks like. Eh. Some problem with image uploads but whatever. The guy who lived in NYC just said that “kicking down doors” really isn’t a movie thing, but that lots of apartment buildings in NYC really would have such flimsy doors you could just kick them in.
Guess we also have this because it’s weatherproofing at the same time.
But we like this fascist leader because he’s only hurting other people and not us (yet).
First they came for the trans people, and I did not speak out, because I was not trans… .
(anti-fascist poem from Germany with a modern twist)
No they came for the trans people first, too.
They did yeah, the burning of the clinic is pretty fucking historic, and not in a good way.
But the poem doesn’t specify them, is my point. Maybe it should, but I guess it wasn’t the hot issue at the time.
I’ve dreamed of being in free-minded parties in the 1920’s Germany.
This is what something like that could look like (where I got my dreams from.)
I challenge you to look at this from a different perspective.
The people with the (severely under-powered) guns come out, shoot some people, and then what?
The American populace has shown itself to be completely spineless and incapable of doing anything useful. At least 50% of the country will condemn your actions as “not the right way” - even as fascists are rounding them up and sending them to El Salvador.
So what did you just throw your life away for? Making no change, and potentially even setting back the cause. Guns will not fix the deep seated rot in America - no matter how many times you say it. Anyone with a brain looking to win (not the same as being correct!) will not show their hand now.
No no, I did think of that.
Edit i thought the wrong context but the general sentiment still applies even though I thought I was deeper in the thread. End edit
And in the case where a supposed home invader is armed, pulling an gas powered rubber bullet gun is a really bad choice.
But that’s why context matters.
Jim Jefferies makes good points about hypothetical home invasions. Supposed to keep the guns locked up instead of sleeping with a gun under your pillow, so what’s the use when you have to get them out of a safe (but that’s not a critical point as there’s plenty of fast acting finger print etc safes in the us etc).
Anyway it’s kinds comical that Jim Jefferies made such good points in this (pt1) routine (pt2) that they ended up showing the clip for law students in universities when discussing the dicussion around gun laws.
The point I’m making about the 2A defendenerds (that’s on purpose) haven’t been seen much for the past few months, because even the conservatives in the US see how obviously Trump is fucking up America. Ironically, usually the people who defended the 2A and people who voted for Trump overlap a lot in venn diagrams.
Their main excuse for defending it was “it’s to protect against authoritarianism and abuse of power”.
Now the Trump administration is clearly totalitarian and no-one is forming “well regulated militias.”
Meaning we get to say “we told you so” about 2A. Which isn’t too happy because of why we get to say it. But… we do. We told them so.
Agreed, the “well regulated militias” argument was always nonsense.
People can barely work together in office spaces, have zero appreciation for democracy, and have zero discipline. Yet we expect these same people to painstakingly learn combat, change their lifestyles, and agree who the enemy is.
For full transparency, I support 2A - but I support it because it is the best way to be uncooperative with violence. This is extremely important for not only having any chance against a corrupt government, but also your hysterical neighbors - who want to lynch you for being a witch.
P.S. Remote areas tend to be significantly more violent than populated areas. This is a phenomena observed through both anecdote and data. Protecting yourself from rabid neighbors in remote (often rural) areas is a genuine use case!
I think the rule of thumb is to never take a conservative at their word. They seem to only argue in bad-faith for their own personal gain (whether it be money or pleasure); and will go as far as changing the meaning of words and reality to be “correct”.
When a conservative makes a hypothetical, just assume it has no nuance, practicality, nor scientific process. If it did the militia argument would’ve been dead-on-arrival.
Police and attornies could be solving actual crimes instead they’re spending millions of dollars suspecting women of having broken the breeding laws.
So we arrest rich white women too?
She didn’t procure so she’s useless to the current regime.
Yeah, sure. We were assured Roe wouldn’t get overturned. But let’s just say it magically did, we were told women who had miscarriages wouldn’t have to worry. The Republicans. Told. Us. So this is just a big fat lie. La la la la la, I can’t hear you …
Gilead here we come
Women with miscarriages won’t have to worry, just like immigrants who are in the country legally won’t have to worry
Before someone misreads my comment, my point is both groups DO have to worry
I get to be one of the bodies left to rot after a public hanging!
Can you imagine suffering a miscarriage, which must be traumatic, and then having to hide the fetus in case you get arrested for murder.
This poor woman was in a lose / lose situation.
Truly, even the article set her up to lose. Talking about her throwing the remains in the dumpster to make us think about parents who have done that with living babies.
When I took a second to think further, I was questioning why the hell she even had the remains in the first place! She was taken to a hospital, presumably to have them removed, did the doctors just give them back and expect her to take it to the nearest biohazard dump? Ridiculous.
My interpretation of her having to hide the remains is that she couldn’t afford to go to a hospital and have things dealt with properly.
This woman is a victim of the shameful state of US healthcare and repressive law.
Didn’t consider that she gave it to herself and the transportation to the medical centre was for post-care. Absolutely horrible for her, and exactly what you said, shameful of the US system.
Nazis or whatever you call the fascists in America (They won’t call a trans person whet they want to be called, they don’t pick what I call them. They’re Nazis.) Have a plan to murder every man they don’t like. And rape their women. And force them to have their children.
This is their plan. Make no mistake. Some twisted day of the rope prima noctum incrl fantasy.
Never go walking without your hatpin.
They want you dead.
Pure evil. In the name of Christianity, what else is new?
“The purpose of a system is what it does” comes to mind. The laws are intended to make life worse for women.
typically miscarriages are not handled in this manner
But in the Republic of Gilead, options may be limited and people may resort to desperate measures.
“At 19 weeks, a fetus is about the size of a mango…”. Anything but the metric system!
Corrected for metric system:
At 19 weeks, a fetus is about the size of a mango, innit
Good grief, why compare it to a mango of all things that would be around that size?! Just say x in. (y cm.) Besides, their size isn’t exactly uniform. Per Wikipedia:
The fruits may be somewhat round, oval, or kidney-shaped, ranging from 5–25 centimetres (2–10 in) in length and from 140 grams (5 oz) to 2 kilograms (5 lb) in weight per individual fruit.
That’s quite a range. And BTW is coming up with objects to compare things to a job position that exists? I want to apply for that. You’d spend the day browsing databases of things by size and picking out the weirdest ones.
is coming up with objects to compare things to a job position that exists? I want to apply for that. You’d spend the day browsing databases of things by size and picking out the weirdest ones.
Yes, this was your job interview and you failed. You neglected to compare the number of rows in the databases to number of pages in, say, the entire Harry Potter series.
If you keep your license to practice up to date, you can reapply in two years.
Two years, or as we like to call it here: An associates degree worth of time.
“innit” isn’t a unit of measurement, but if it were, a 19-week old fetus would probably be a few centinnits long
almost a microbruv
