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The worst part with all these big trucks is the bed is significantly higher requiring much more effort to actually put anything in.
You’re not only looking like a dumbass you actually are one.
Honestly this. I had one of these that replaced my old Dodge van at work, and I hated it because all my equipment was much more of a pain in the ass to get in and out.
That’s something i often wonder–how do they manage to load stuff in/out? I’ll always remember a woodshop class i took and someone asked me to help lift a chicken coop they built into their truck. It was heavy af to begin with but the extra height to put it into his big/tall truck made it a much more difficult task. It’s just stupid, really–no benefit i can see and further drawbacks seem inevitable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Forklift on one end, idiocy on another
Maybe they are more manly than you give them credit for?
If it’s hard for you to throw something in the bed of a truck you should hit the gym.
Really big and heavy item enters the chat
One of them is a tool, another one is driven by a tool.
The one on the left is used by people who need to carry things. The one of the right is used by losers.
Left one carries stuff, right one carries fragile egoes
What about people who need extra room for a child’s car seat (they’re huge nowadays) and also need to carry stuff the way a truck does?
Edit: I live out in the country and I’m in need of a pickup for carrying loads of stuff. Putting it in the back of my Ford Edge is highly inconvenient as it doesn’t fit in one load and messed up the interior (the sides of the trunk are scratched to hell now.
And my point was simply that there are entirely legitimate uses for a pickup truck. 98% of people don’t have a legitimate use case, but that didn’t mean no one does.
You live out in the country, you clearly didn’t grow up in the country.
I grew up in the country, we had a truck with a full sized bed and a bench. You put the baby seat in the middle of the bench, strap it down like you do in the car and a lap belt and you pick up your chicken feed with your kid in the truck. Ain’t rocket science here and you don’t need to have a crew cab and a worthless short bed to do things out there.
Shit dude, if you’re worried about scratches to your vehicle, maybe you should move back to the suburbs.
This still doesn’t matter make sense. Lots of people have multiple kids and/or a spouse. Manufacturing more vehicles just to please your ego is not the economical or environmentally friendly thing to do.
This doesn’t make any sense. You live out in the country, you’re probably going to need a truck. You aren’t going to haul horse shit, lime, a crap ton of chicken feed, or water for your cistern in a car or even a SUV. But you should be buying a vehicle that actually fits the work being done and if it’s a small truck then buy a small truck and not giant penis extender with no ability to haul a damn thing.
if it’s a small truck then buy a small truck and not giant penis extender with no ability to haul a damn thing.
Ok, so is this whole discussion a misunderstanding?
I’m saying “there are valid uses for a truck” and (from what I thought) everyone else is saying “all trucks are bad, you don’t need a truck”.
But now you’re saying that the discussion is explicitly the exact truck that’s in the photo and small trucks are ok? Is that what you’re saying?
What are you carrying around all day with your child that doesn’t fit in a minivan?
Or just a regular car
seriously, americans are fucking delusional with what the requirements of life are, 90% of the rest of the world does just fine with regular-sized cars.
But where will I put my fridge when I move every 3 years for my job?🥺
I live out in the country. We don’t get garbage pickup. The garbage dump is very close to my child’s daycare. It’s 20 minutes away. It’s open from 8am to 4:30pm, Monday to Friday. I either bring the garbage with me when I go to daycare, or I have to schedule time off from work to take out garbage.
I have a Ford Edge, so no, a minivan wouldn’t work. To be clear, it’s not impossible. But a truck would be 10x more convenient.
And a flat trailer for your Ford would be even more convenient
how much garbage do you produce on a daily basis that you need a truck to haul it hoo lee
How size of your truck is compared to Lada Granta? Because my grandparents drove it with driver + 3 adults + child me + stuff including garbage from dacha.
Well, for one, I don’t have a truck. Too expensive.
Second, child care seats in North America were revised recently to be larger so that they can protect children better.
To put it in context, putting a child seat in my 2013 Jetta makes it so that the front passenger can barely fit. Anyone over 5’ 6" has to srunch their legs to fit.
The Jetta claim is weird because I fit a 6’ adult comfortably in the passenger seat of my GTI with the car seat in the back.
How big is your car seat?
Thats a reasonable use case for a truck. The majority of hate I have for trucks are for more city based people who claim they totally need it when they maybe move something 2-3 times a year.
That said, a small trailer could probably handle your garbage behind an SUV or capable car. Although it would still require more parking than the truck so the benefits overall are arguable.
This obviously varies based on where you live, but using a trailer where I’m at incurs a ton of extra costs: *Landfill charges extra when using a trailer to bring your trash. *Tollway charges extra for the trailer *State charges annual property tax on the trailer Granted, I have an ‘04 regular cab Chevy Colorado (before they started making them as huge as half tons of years past), but I’m dreading the day it dies. There are no small pickups available anymore (Santa Few and Maverick’s 4.5’ bed is worthless for my use case).
I think this argument is a losing battle on this community. It’s clear there is no room for nuance or reason.
What is “carrying stuff the way a truck does”? No offense, I really do not understand
Well, I can’t shove drywall, leaking smelly garbage, construction scrap, etc into a Ford Edge without seriously messing up the inside. So that kind of way.
Why would you need to shove it IN car, when you can carry it ON car?
To get a roof rack installed on my car would be over $1000. I checked.
You can’t make this argument while also stating in other comments that a truck is too expensive.
I’m not arguing that. You have a fair point.
But my argument about a use case for a truck isn’t about MY truck (I don’t have one), it was merely about the valid use for owning a truck.
I’m getting by right now by wrecking the inside of my car (it’s already done). I looked at getting a roof rack, but the quote I got was around $1400. But that only would help with getting new drywall. Not broken up garbage drywall, and wouldn’t help with bags of garbage.
would be over $1000.
How?
on my car
Although maybe your car doesn’t have rack mounts from factory. For lada it’s about 20€ and tightening few bolts.
What an absolutely bonkers suggestion. Do you legitimately think this solves the problem?
If someone actually did this, strapped drywall, leaking garbage bags, and other random garbage on top of their vehicle, there would be a post on here so fucking fast calling the driver a moron.
How’d they get someone pregnant with that medically diagnosed micropenis?
Wow you’re soooo cool. I bet everyone is always really happy when you talk
Sounds like I hit a sensitive spot in a way big truck guy only wishes he could.
A tax on vehicle axle weight proportional to the damage done to roads (which goes up exponentially with weight).
Happens many places in Europe already.
Vehicle fee based on some combination of size, weight, and miles driven would be the fairest.
Miles driven is just taken care of in fuel taxes. Sales tax on size, yearly tax based on weightwould be perfect I think.
That’s a real man’s truck. Air conditioned, soft suspension, big boi so scary big truck don’t scare, brightest lights because corners scary, 4 seats cos wife is scary, big tyres because tools are scary, big tank because human interaction is scary.
The thought of someone getting a 4 seater truck purely because they are so terrified of their own wife that he only feels safe when she is in the back seat of a car
That’s what it’s like to drive a Ford F150
NotJustBikes has a great spoof of this
A lot of people who buy trucks these days just need something that can tow a travel trailer or a boat to their favorite camp site a few times a year. It’s not that they need a truck on a day to day basis, but they might need the towing capability on occasion. That’s why these trucks are a weird combination of luxury sedan (with their leather seats and high end interiors) and pickup truck. Most of the time they use it like a regular car, but sometimes they might need the towing capability.
If it’s a “few times a year” situation that really seems better suited to renting.
Part of the issue there is that for a large number of people the ‘few times a year’ are major holidays when everybody else wants to tow their house-sized RV and boat to the lake for a day or two. The rental fleet just isn’t big enough to service the surge demand.
Rental companies, at least in America, have policies against using their vehicles to tow things.
In addition the truck in front has to be imported to the US and there’s weird regulations about purchasing them so you can only buy used. As far as I know you can’t import a new model. If a car is newer than 25 years old it can not be imported unless it meets the requirements of US Office of Vehicle Safety Compliance.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/importing-vehicle/importation-and-certification-faqs
These all sound like regulatory, issues. Nothing that can’t be fixed with a minimal amount of political goodwill.
I think it is regulatory. However getting US politicians to do what’s right is never trivial. It would take the legislative branch to change the regulations, while likely ignoring lobbyists within the automotive industry. It’s fixable but it won’t be fixed.
Michigan is an important swing state, and the UAW is a major political player nationally. Ironically, that doesn’t stop the US automakers from routinely screwing over auto workers and labor in general.
Pff my fckn subi can do that and fit in a standard car park
Your Subi wouldn’t be able to pull some of these American travel trailers. Many of them are absolutely massive, they’re like a luxury condo on wheels.
We have no sense of reasonable proportion here in the US. Everything must be unnecessarily large and unwieldy, gaudy and exorbitant. Bigger is always better here in the good 'ol US of A.
Excess pleases Slaanesh
Literally planning to buy a truck for when I need it and I’d still make it a daily driver if needed.
I drove pickup trucks for years. Most people probably don’t realize is how much higher the operating cost is compared to smaller vehicles, even if they know that it’s generally higher. The first hybrid I bought was a Prius about a decade ago and when I finally looked at the difference in the cost of fuel and maintenance, it was not insignificant.
There’s plenty of legit reasons to need a pickup but outside of that, you’re just throwing your money away. Nowadays our Sienna Hybrid minivan has a hitch receiver on it so I can hook the trailer up to it if I need to haul something big. I haven’t needed a truck in a long time.
I think you’re making up crap. Or at least you’re comparing an old vehicle to a new one.
My truck costs the exact same to maintain as all of the other vehicles I’ve owned. Gas usage is worse than a Prius, but pretty much inline with most SUV.
There’s really not anything that’s materially more expensive to maintain in a truck than any other car.
The is no way your parts and materials for maintaince are the same cost as a smaller average car. The shocks are bigger, the brake parts are bigger, the tires are bigger, the engine has a higher oil capacity, the vehicle is probably more valuable so the insurance premium is probably higher.
Oil change costs the same in my truck as every other vehicle.
None of the other parts are materially different in cost over the life of a vehicle. The size difference is trivial compared to the cost of manufacturing, distributing, and selling. If you’re paying for labor, the price difference is even proportionally smaller.
These are all items you change 2 or 3 times over the life of a vehicle. The truck part being 20% more expensive doesn’t add up to a drastic difference in overall cost of ownership.
You can think whatevever you want. A conventional gas job requires 2 to 3 oil changes to every 1 on a hybrid, depending on if you’re changing it every 3k or 5k miles. Plugs and wires, brake pads, coolant, etc. also require more frequent replacement on conventional vehicles. I would know and I’ve got the financial records to back it up.
I would also know. I’m driving a hybrid truck right now.
I truly think you’re comparing an old car to a modern one. None of the stuff you listed needed changing with any regularity, one any modern car.
Could changed happen every 9k miles, brake pads are entirely usage based (going 80k+ miles on original), coolants might get changed once in the 200k lifetime of the truck, etc, etc, etc.
If you got a newer car, all those things would still last just as long but be cheaper to maintain and replace because the parts would usually be smaller and require less materials.
Put the parts are within, like 10% of each other.
“Size” really isn’t a major factor in pricing of most products.
As someone whos owned and worked on many cars and trucks, my wallet would disagree
One is a work tool and for men, the other one a toy and for little boys.
The one on the right is an “Emotional support vehicle”.
Me coming back from Home Depot
Me, paying 1/10th of a truck’s monthly payment in wood delivery fees:
I guess cities didn’t exist before cars.
Are you proposing horses and wagons as the alternative to those flatbed trucks?
We can find some safe and slow moving vehicle cart like vehicle to do the job.
That’s what the kei truck in the front is for.
With a severe speed limiter, perhaps.
Putting a bunch of lumber or cement in the back of a sub 100hp Kei truck is a hell of speed limiter.
I once saw a madlad bring a fridge on a dolly onto the subway.
If you’re worried about making the cab bigger and comfier, you don’t need a truck.
There are no arguments to this and no one has a point against me here. If cab space is the concern, you need a minivan or SUV.
Blanket statement with impunity incoming. Combining these vehicles is a bad idea. For safety and efficiency. If you think this is a good idea in any possible way, you’re simply incorrect.
You’re just buying an SUV with a truck bed attached because your little balls say you want a “manly” vehicle.
You wouldn’t put a hitch on a moped. Don’t put a bed on a SUV.
Extending the length of a vehicle past the point where a hitch makes it longer than a parking space should be a “first offense your company is due down immediately” kind of offense first of all. The amount of these hitches blocking sidewalks and handicap accessibility spaces is absolutely bonkers.
Why don’t we have a president type of office that doesn’t mess with politics or international affairs, they just have nationwide power for common sense stuff like banning pickups simply being used as passenger vehicles, curbing attempts to overgrow parking spaces, and probably a bunch of other stuff too.
Also, I have a great idea for a whole new tax. :)
Let’s make an industry out of dining these people to the point where only businesses use trucks. Regular people can rent them easily enough to move between apartments or what have you, but these should never have been general use daily drivers.
Let’s just crush and compact the entire pickup truck industry to an incredibly tiny fraction of what it is now.
In addition, suvs are also unnecessary and unneeded.
You want a cross country vehicle? Get a jeep or a Suzuki samurai or a Unimog. You want to flaunt your wealth and show everyone how big you are on the road? Buy a tram company and lobby your city to install it. If you can’t do that, you’re not wealthy enough and have no right to flex.
Trailers are great! You can tow with minivans, cars, suvs and trucks. Trailers typically are easier to load, have more capacity and can be a lot longer than a truck bed.
Contractors get most of their building supplies delivered by flat bed trucks anyways.
You wouldn’t put a hitch on a moped
My dude, I put a hitch on a scooter. My little trailer kicks ass. Well, it did before it was stolen, but that’s besides the point.
Sorry that your ass-kicking little trailer was stolen. 😟
When I had to buy a truck I didn’t really care that the A/C and radio didn’t work. I didn’t care that the interior was stained and uncomfortable. I didn’t care that the ride was rough and noisy. I didn’t even care that much that it got bad gas mileage, as I wouldn’t be driving it much.
I needed a truck for truck stuff. I’m not gonna buy a truck with a leather interior when I’m normally covered in dirt when I’m using it. I don’t need it to look big and manly because I just need it to haul garbage and tow livestock trailers. And I definitely don’t want to pay $70,000 for something I’m going to use it offroad.
You are definitely wrong, there is a market for it. It’s clearly not as big as it currently is, but there are absolutely people that families and work some sort of construction or farming job where a truck is necessary, and carrying more than 3 people comfortably is also necessary. And two vehicles is also not feasible.
What do you think construction workers in the rest of the world do?
Lorries with heavy capacity. Trucks of a different design but similar capacities.
That little truck in the picture is literally a construction work truck. They use those.
That market is astronomically smaller than the amount of these large pickups with huge cabs being sold.
Yes, that’s what I said. Doesn’t change the fact that the market does in fact exist, unlike the comment I replied to was claiming.
I mean, fuck, I own a bar and need a pickup truck simply because how else am I gonna return 250 empty cases of beer to recycling? I ain’t putting that smell in an enclosed van and if I got an open trailer, I’d need a truck to tow it anyways. (I actually do have a van, I use it in winter and rainy days for picking up full beer cases, doesn’t have near the weight capacity of the truck although using the same motor and getting similar mileage)
So without the pickup truck, you’d still be able to do it with an alternative.
No. Read it again.
Okay…so you need a truck to haul beer cans. What’s wrong with the simple low-profile one for that job?
The criticism is on freak hybrid SUV-trucks.
Do you know how much 250 empty cases of 24 bottles weighs? Its a lot more than the little one can hold. I had to construct 2x4 stake panels up to the height of the roof as it was with a full size long bed, in order to avoid making 3 trips (twenty miles to the depot), and it would take five with that little truck that can’t even hit highway speed. It also can’t tow my fifth wheel camper. (From 1983, before I get the rich person problems accusation. I ain’t rich, I’m rural and handy enough buy old shit cheap)
I’d need a truck to tow it anyways.
Common misconception, but you do not, and a folding trailer hooked up to a car with a tow rating capable of pulling it takes up much less overall space when it’s folded up than the truck will most of the time. You’ll also probably get better gas mileage, which is a bonus, plus better pedestrian safety, less force going into a car crash which collectively makes everyone on the road safer, and makes it safer to crash into stationary objects, decreased roadwear, things of this nature. This sort of trailer setup is done all the time in europe, as another comment concurs.
I’m not putting 3000 lbs of beer bottles on a trailer behind a (modern) car. It’s borderline unsafe and over car capacity. You’re talking to a CDL holder, I do know s thing or two about pulling trailers. Cars domt have full frames anymore, that’s only one of the many reasons this bad idea
3000 lbs is well within the towing capacity of a VW Golf with a braked trailer. Not to mention a van.
LOL. I just looked up tongue weight max on a golf. 300 pounds. They’re literally useless and dangerous for towing anything over 1000lbs.
All those Europeans towing with their small cars must just be my imagination then.
Said three thousand pound load, that does not include the trailer. Gross weights gonna be 4500, 5000 ish. Vans are generally pickup truck drivelines this continent, so no real difference there for mileage.
No difference in mileage, maybe. Certainly a huge difference in danger to pedestrians and cyclists.
Nope sorry, you actually don’t exist. OP says it’s impossible for someone to need a truck.
It’s a hatch back with a strapon.
For manly men.
This is stupid. Why should a blue collar worker with a family have to buy and drive two different vehicles just because of your personal preferences. Building two vehicles is no doubt worse for the planet than making one slightly less efficient vehicle. This is especially true if we are talking about EVs which are the future of trucks this size.
TIL blue collar workers only exist in the US South.
I never said they did? I don’t live in the US
They are pointing out that you have alternatives, just like the rest of the worlds blue collar workers. Americans seem to weigh their personal comfort higher than nearly anything.
Are cars like this not sold in Europe? Their popularity in USA has much more to do with USA vehicle regulations than anything else.
The regulations are in place to maximize profit, so they make huge expensive luxury trucks.
In my experience, a large group of truck owners buy them purely for luxury. They are absurdly expensive vehicles, its impossible to justify buying them unless they fill all roles so they are now the family vehicle, grocery getter, daily driver, vacation vehicle, etc.
The two cars we own combined, brand new, totaled up to 40k, but we bought them used for a total of 20k. Thats easily 30k+ I could spend on a whole other vehicle, a trailer, modifications to my existing vehicles, or whatever else would make sense for a number of use cases.
Ego and status drive a lot of luxury truck sales, mainly because I dont know many blue collar workers that want to spend extra on an interior thats going to get destroyed from regular use anyhow. And the tiny beds dont help.
Stating in your argument “there are no arguments to this” highlights up front how close-minded you are to discussion on the subject. It’s perfectly acceptable to discuss things you strongly believe in while still allowing yourself to be open-minded about opposing views. In fact, I would say it is required for honest discourse to occur.
In my personal experience, I have one of these vehicles with a comfortable and spacious cab. It allows me to have one vehicle for all the tasks that come with a sheep and pig farm, and also allows us to transport our large family comfortably to and fro. I would like my family to be comfortable while riding in our vehicle, which is equally able to perform various work functions related to farming and transport a family. Why would we purchase and maintain two separate vehicles for these purposes when a single option exists?
Corn, wheat, and other farmers have separate vehicles to accomplish the tasks necessary for their farms, e.g. a combine harvester, seeder, iriggator, etc. I know they also have large spacious trucks as well, but my point is that it is feasible to expect an agricultural business owner, or any buisness owner, to have different commercial equipment for different tasks related to their industry. Besides, whereas all the people who need pickups for their business have them, not all pickup owners need their vehicles for business. I see many, many large pickups parked in residential areas of the city and around the suburbs. The closest most of those people get to agribusiness is going to the grocery store. That’s the second point, if you don’t absolutely need a large truck for business, you shouldn’t use one for your everyday driver. Imagine if big rigs were affordable for most everyone and people used them for daily driving.
While I agree that farmers can have specialized vehicles for different tasks, not all do. We farm sheep, pigs, chickens, and ducks and do not have specialized equipment. We don’t even have a tractor. I also don’t disagree that people who don’t have a use for trucks don’t need them, but I wouldn’t go to far as to say they shouldn’t have them. While objectively worse for the environment than a vehicle more suitable to their lifestyles, it’s a slippery slope (as we’ve seen) once we start legislating morality.
Bottom line: if we didn’t operate a farm business, we wouldn’t have a need for or the desire to have a large truck. More likely, any truck at all. We certainly wouldn’t have one to park in the driveway of the suburban house we would probably live in. It’s just impractical, but not everyone is gifted with innate pragmatism.
Laws are legislating morality. What else would they be?
commonly held misconception, laws in fact just spontaneously come into existence and we have no choice but to follow and enforce them (except for rich people, who are inherently better people and thus are able to disobey the law without consequence)
Kei trucks feel like they’d be a perfect alternative to a gator. They appear to be cheaper too even considering importation.
Easy: the one on the right is compensating for mini pp
I’m gonna need two of those
Your mom lets you have 2 mini pp’s to compensate for?
gee bill
The pp size is inversely proportional to the truck size.
that’s why I ride a bike.
I could get away with a unicycle if it weren’t for my MASSIVE SCHLONG requiring support and it’s easier that way than getting two unis.
I’m picturing the two unicycle method illustrated in the style of Dr Seuss
I suppose you are using a lady bike then so there’s more space for the schlong?
No I have a sheat for the schlong on the horizontal bar of the frame
This guy bikes.
What is lady bike?
Traditionally bikes for women had the horizontal stabilizing bar much lower probably to account for dresses and the like, but the differences has been slightly washed out over the years.
The top bike is referred to as the “lady bike”, as you’ve said, but for any external viewers, the top bike is probably a better choice for city bike in general. There’s the point about not having to swing your leg around when mounting and dismounting the bike, true, but the bike also promotes an upright seating position as opposed to a totally horizontal, leaned down, motorcycle like position, which will be more comfortable for long ride periods for most riders, at the cost of aerodynamics. The bottom bike is extreme overkill for most uses, but it’s also the bike you’re going to probably see most often in the US outside of mountain bikes, since nobody tends to commute on bike here.
I prefer walking, and use a bicycle when it’s possible. So sadly doesn’t check out.
Bicycle size isn’t zero, you you pp size isn’t infinity. It does check out.
The bed on the left probably gets used more.
If I had to buy a pickup truck I’d buy a Suzuki Carry and call it a day
