Summary
Donald Trump threatened to send American citizens convicted of vandalizing Tesla vehicles to El Salvador’s infamous Terrorism Confinement Center, labeling the vandals as “sick terrorist thugs” deserving 20-year sentences.
This statement followed a major vandalism incident in Ontario, Canada, where around 80 Tesla cars were damaged.
Trump’s comments coincide with controversy over his use of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to deport migrants, halted by a court order.
The White House defended the deportation despite legal challenges, denying any violation of the court’s injunction.
If it didn’t hurt, he wouldn’t cry.
Trump is gearing up to purge but there are way too many guns in this country for that. His solution will be to start taking peoples guns. Finally despot gun control.
People’s reaction: “This is tyranny!”
The reality: This is delusional.Trump doesn’t have the power to give that kind of order and any official carrying it out can be convicted and imprisoned under state law that Trump can’t pardon them for. He actually doesn’t understand this despite being president once already because he either always has been retarded*, or got that way due to some sort of dementia.
*I mean that in the medical sense, not as an insult.
Trump literally and blatantly committed treason. I’m sure we’ll get around to doing something about that soon.
So, do the people who, in this hypothetical scenario, get sent there wait it out in that prison for the U.S. courts to argue the case, charge and convict the low level officials, and then… send a bailiff or strongly worded letter to El Salvador?
I hope you’re right, but they will likely try. And the Rule of law has been eroded more and more. They already openly defied a court order to send Venezuelan people to the El Salvador work camp. They gloated about it, too.
And that was all without due process. Some even had hearings scheduled and still got deported into slavery.
Now that he successfully tested the waters with this, I’m not so sure about trusting the rule of law in the US.
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I’m curious how bad it needs to get? I hope we can pull through but Democrats don’t inspire much confidence.
We need to remember that we’re We the People. Fuck the Democratic politicians if they won’t fight for us. Fuck the traitor Republican politicians if they threaten us.
We still have our 2nd amendment right. Use it or lose it right?
Maje sure you have enough food and ammo
Exactly. The power lies with the people and always has. Don’t rely on an ineffectual party to save you. You have to do it yourselves.
Ask 1930s Germans how bad it needs to get.
Id argue Americans are even more gaslit and deluded than they were with modern for profit media combined with captured government pulpits.
I truly think the average American would sooner burn their own children alive than protest/disempower their capitalist fascist oppressors gutting their very lives for an extra nickel. For profit media says the fault of our problems are all the powerless homeless neighbors we’ve all collectively betrayed lowering property values with their continued immoral existence as they produce no value other than to scare everyone else back to their jobs every day.
Wouldn’t want to be accused of being a filthy SOCIAList that wants to be part of a SOCiety after all. Why live together when we can die alone at each other’s throats hoping the next lottery ticket or third side gig will make us a big winnah!
I will never, never forget all the domestic politicians using their pulpits when covid hit to assure everyone that they will do everything possible to protect our beloved
society people children futureeconomy, with basically no pushback 🤮burn their children alive than protest/disempower their capitalist fascist oppressors.
I’m concerned that’s a package deal. As soon as he hits the right trigger, it goes martial law. If he shoots protestors, 40% of the US will be chomping at the bit to grab their own guns and help him.
The left might have the majority, but they’re not armed and deluded and ready for the blood of the regular right.
The left doesn’t advertise their gun ownership or preparedness the way the right does. Also, if society breaks down, firearms might be useful, but the ability to source food, clean water, medical attention, and safe temperatures will probably be even more important.
I’m part of the left and I’m armed. I just don’t glorify my arms, name them girl names, or fall to sleep stroking them like a lover.
I think it’s the only position I share with our rightwing. I wish I didnt need them, but this is a cesspool of toxic individualism, avarice, and prideful ignorance. When in Nazi Germany, you might need to shoot a Nazi.
In the Nordic countries, societies, they have freedom to roam, here our bootstrap buckaroos fantasize about murdering anyone (who doesn’t look like them) that rings their doorbell for walking up their sidewalk.
If you aren’t training with your weapons you being armed doesn’t mean shit. Nobody cares how much you resent your firearm ownership. I own and train with guns for the same reasons I own and train with first aid kits and fire extinguishers. It’s called being responsible for your own safety because nobody cares about you as much as yourself.
The “words are violence” crowd is gonna have a tough time dealing with the “violence is violence” crowd. Wish they hadn’t deluded themselves into believing the 2nd amendment wasn’t necessary in the modern era.
Agreed, the people would rather abdicate their responsibilities to institutions that have no accountability and now we’re seeing the results. The majority have grown fat and stupid and now they need to relearn that the stove is hot by getting burned.
If you were waiting until it got to actual concentration camps before you were willing to call this fascism, well, here you go.
The camps aren’t on American soil so it’s only sparkling fascism.
The majority of the Nazis camps were not in Germany, so this is still “going by the book” as it were.
Yeah, I also should have used “sparkling authoritarianism” it would have been funnier and more contextual.
MAGA:
- Vandalise Tesla. ✋ Terrorist
- Vandalise the U.S. Capitol. 👌 Patriot
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
Taking top secret documents to the shitter 👍 President.
The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is usually perspective.
Murder innocent women and children. You should deport the rest of the women and children to some place they’ve never lived and let the murderers take their homes Spray paint a car, you should deport the spray painted to a prison in a country they have never lived in.
I see no inconsistency in their logic /s
That’s …
Odd? I can’t wrap my head around the lack of coherent threats anymore.
Like I knew it was going to be bad, but I expected more action and less, uh, I guess stupid statements? Like is this drug fueled, or is it just idiots talking? Idiots talking while on drugs?
I’m a Jesus Loving Family Values Republican and I have NO PROBLEM with him Sending my Wife and Children to a Terrorism Camp in EL SALVADOR!
Yea! They deserved it for existing when Trump didn’t like that! To the camps!
If it’s not from the sweeping fields of Russia, it’s only sparkling gulag.
It’s not a gulag, it’s a sparkling work camp
ThEy’Re JuSt ReEdUcAtIoN CaMpS.
DeEducation
Im threatening to send Trump to the bathroom, so he can stop shitting in his diapers.
You mean the top-secret document storage room?
Newsflash: He can’t do it. The Supreme Court would have to block it. If he does it to Tesla vandals then he can do it to anyone … including Supreme Court judges. The SC judges are not that stupid … anymore. It seems like one or two of them have spit Trumps balls out of their mouth.
He already ignored a court order when he “deported” some Venezuelans to this
gulagmega-prison. Whose to say he won’t do the same next time around?I’m not convinced. Even if they did find against him for something, he’d just defy it. MAGAs are actually looking forward to the point when they get to castrate the Supreme Court by openly ignoring their rulings.
Oh, good, you’re finally awake. A lot’s happened in the last ten months, let’s get you caught up.
I kinda want to dare them to deport me, a relatively well off white heterosexual male multi-gen native born US citizen, just so I have the pleasure of suing the ever loving fuck out of the government on as many fronts as are legally feasible. Every single minute infraction committed will be a knock-down, drag-out affair.
E: yeah this is dumb. I’m just frustrated.
Dude, these people are being disappeared. That means they’re gone. Good luck ever seeing them again. Even as a white guy, you would suffer untold horrors we can’t comprehend.
Anecdotally, I was a wild youngin decades ago and went to county jail for two weeks. Even jail was horrible, and they treat you like you’re subhuman. It’s freezing all the time, the showers are kept purposely boiling hot, and the food is inedible as it’s pure sugar garbage. The loser guards finally have a leg up on other people and make sure they get their payback for their shitty lives. You poop and pee in public. As a woman, they literally limited the pads you could use, so I just bled through.
Now imagine you remove all those luxuries I just complained about, and you’ve got this type of prison.
I kinda want to dare them to deport me, a relatively well off white heterosexual male multi-gen native born US citizen, just so I have the pleasure of suing the ever loving fuck out of the government on as many fronts as are legally feasible. Every single minute infraction committed will be a knock-down, drag-out affair.
FIrst, the tough guy act impresses nobody. How well do you think you’re going to do as a white boy that doesn’t speak Spanish in a prison cell with 79 Venezuelan and El Salvadoran gang members? You’ll be lucky if you survive the week.
Second, you’ll never have a chance to sue. Trump isn’t giving that option. He is arresting these people and deporting them to El Salvador before he even figures out who the hell they are. We can’t even confirm they are even documenting who is being sent there. They could just be picking random people who look brown enough or who have the “wrong” tattoos, throwing them on a plane, and shipping them off. There’s no court case involved. You’ll be sitting in a cell, in El Salvador, 23.5 hours a day, 7 days a week. Forever. With no access to communication. No access to family visits. No access to a lawyer. How the fuck you gonna sue? You’ll be lucky if you ever even talk to someone who speaks English again.
Maybe your family can sue on your behalf, if they even know where you are or what happened to you. Good luck with that. Maybe, Maybe if you’re lucky, you’ll be the .0000001% of cases the SC actually hears. After years of legal wrangling (where you’ll be sitting in that cell the entire time for), the Supreme Court may very well issue a ruling for Donald Trump to completely ignore.
And the US courts have no jurisdiction over El Salvador’s prisons. A US court demand for the release would just be met with being told to fuck right off.
100%
I don’t think you fully grasp the situation. You still seem to think that there are consequences for Trump when he breaks the law, and that the legal system in the US is still in-tact enough to grant you not only your freedom, but some compensation for your rights being trampled.
Yes, it is outrageously illegal for him to abduct Americans and send them to a black site on foreign soil with no due process. But he spent his entire last term positioning himself to be able to do and get away with outrageously illegal things this time around. He controls the department of justice and the supreme court. The supreme court has already given him an incredibly wide blanket for presidential immunity.
You might think “well, that’s ok - as soon as the story gets out, people will be rioting in the streets!”, but you have to remember that “independent media” is a thing that doesn’t really exist anymore. All of the major news sources in print and on television are owned by a small handful of billionaires, and he is very good at keeping billionaires on side. Any information that gets out there will be downplayed immediately, and the news will be forgotten in a couple of days to be replaced by the latest shocking celebrity news or the latest atrocity Trump has committed.
You probably would get out eventually (provided you don’t get sick and die or get beat to death by the guards or shanked or something), but you would be far, far worse off for the experience. The dream of vindication you’d get for sticking it to Trump would vanish like mist in the sun and you’d be left with the heart-wrenching reality that the life you had previously known is over, and you are at the mercy of the barbarians now.
yeah this is dumb. I’m just frustrated
We all are. Just make sure to be safe 💖
Because lawsuits are so effective on Trump?
I’m so glad that genocide joe spent his whole term fighting to make sure this never happens.
jk lol. He just did genocide.
Don’t you ever get tired of being so stupid?
What are you even trying to say? You’re aware Israel already ended the ceasefire right?
Moral grandstanding and absolving themselves of responsibility for not voting and/ or holding anti-electoral views.
“I hate everyone because they’re worse people than me and as a result I let the clearly worse one win by not voting for the less worse one.”
If it helps you sleep at night…
President carter just did nothing while those hostages were stuck in iran and Reagan got them out!
Carter negotiated relentlessly for their release, and even attempted an armed rescue mission that failed, but Reagan had counter-negotiated behind his back, and convinced the Iranians to hold on the hostages until after the Inauguration. They were released while Reagan was being sworn in.
That’s called Treason, and Reagan should have gotten the rope for that. Then he sold weapons of mass destruction to Iran to finance his illegal war in Central America, using drug smugglers to smuggle weapons to his CIA mercenaries. Once the weapons were dropped off, the pilots fulled their planes with cocaine and flew it back to America. The enormous number of CIA-protected cocaine flights to America led to the breath-taking crack cocaine epidemic of the 80s/90s. More treason, and he definitely should have gotten the rope for that.
Reagan was one of the most destructive presidents in American history.
I’m glad someone understood what I was getting at lol
Fuck ronald reagan, fuck the entire apparatus that allowed him to get into power, and fuck all the cowards in congress who refused to convict him for deliberately betraying our nation time and time again while in office.
Reagan also abolished The Fairness Doctrine, which allowed Rush Limbaugh to lead the conservative talk radio revolution, and establish the foundation of the Conservative Propaganda Machine. After almost 40 years of expansion into every other media, and becoming multi-generational, the Conservative Propaganda Machine has created an entirely alternative universe for many conservatives to live in, where Joe Biden leads the Biden Crime Family, and the HitlerPig family is a godly, Christian, All-American family.
I’m pessimistic about a lot of what people say Trump can’t do, but he definitely can’t do this one.
Edit: that’s enough of this community. Y’all are way worse than even the politics and tanky subs on Reddit. Jesus, y’all need some help. Count me as another ally you threw away because you can’t see past your own ignorance.
I want to agree with you, but why can’t he? The courts aren’t saying, “You can send these people to El Salvador because immigrants have fewer rights.” The courts are saying, “They have rights, you can’t send them there,” and his admin is ignoring them. What’s to stop an attempt to deport citizens?
I don’t want to be blackpilled, but public backlash hasn’t amounted to enough. Hopefully a greater public backlash will matter, but it seems like people don’t recognize how dire the situation really is.
Theoretically, the citizens of the US would stop him from doing that. It’s such an obvious an egregious violation of rights that (again, in theory) he would lose a lot of support over it and we’d potentially face riots and massive protests. This is probably what Trump wants though, so he and Musk have a reason to implement martial law and really take the mask off
he would lose a lot of support over it
I honestly don’t think he would. Conservatives have proven themselves to be absolutely craven maniacs time and time again. He’s NEVER lost their support.
I agree with you
Theoretically, the citizens of the US would stop him from doing that.
There’s your problem. Have you not been paying attention lately? Half the citizens want this. Even among those that don’t, there’s no appetite for violent protests.
Sure, there will always be some number of people who support whatever evil shit he does, but it’s nowhere near half. Hopefully, the things he’s doing will activate people who normally tune out, because this is getting very serious, along with the people who did support him but are getting disillusioned. As ridiculous as it seems, their presence at town halls shows that, for some reason, a lot of people trusted him not to do this shit when they voted for him.
I’m starting to get hungry.
It’s such an obvious an egregious violation of rights that (again, in theory) he would lose a lot of support over it and we’d potentially face riots and massive protests.
Lol do you live in USA? It’s literally a fascist state. There will be no riots or massive protests except maybe in support of genocide, etc.
I said “in theory,” several times. You even quoted me saying it.
Yes I live in the US. I’m not predicting anything. I was answering the question that was asked, sorry if I triggered your hate boner.
Hey, I see that you’re mad about the people responding to you, but it’s vital that you understand that the constitution is dead, the republic is over, we have a king now. We’re maybe, generously, months from Congress dissolving itself at Trump’s request. At this point, the Trump administration can and will do whatever they want; when there are no consequences for violating the law, the law does not exist. It’s up to us, the people, to make them second guess and wonder if there will be consequences- in a better scenario, they would know there would be consequences, but I think we’re past that.
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
What are you doing then, or are you not a good person?
I’m not mad at all honestly, just disappointed. I would expect honesty and truth from this server, but all I get is doomer BS, insults, and false info. If y’all can’t even be honest you’re just another r/politics or r/conservative.
Have fun continuing to lose the country. If y’all can’t tell the truth and then downvote accurate context y’all are just as bad as MAGA. I want no part in either.
I’m organizing with peaceful balkanization efforts. What about you?
Also, this IS the truth. Trump is already doing things that he can’t do, and the courts aren’t doing a great job of stopping him. There are no consequences, just finger wagging. As such, he has no reason whatever to obey or fear the courts. We’ve utterly abandoned holding powerful people accountable, to the detriment of us all.
I’ve been linked articles taken out of context and a ton of bad faith arguments here. I can tell this place isn’t for me.
Unfortunately all I can do in my area is protest and march. I don’t see how balkanization is going to help. Fracturing communities and turning them agro hasn’t seemed to help anyone.
I’m not talking about fracturing communities as much as breaking the federal government’s capacity for harm by separating it from revenue streams (blue states) and creating standalone states that are more responsive to the needs of their people.
Ah, so you’d throw away our union. That’ll work out great. It really is a bunch of tankies in this server. I was wrong when I said this place was like r/politics, it’s much worse.
Our union is already fried. I’m honestly just trying to be pragmatic. The US has something like 14 distinct subregions, and we’d probably be much better off like the EU; a bunch of legally sovereign partner states under a trade federation.
Honestly, tell me, what path do you see for getting the federal government back to even 1990s level of functionality? Because I really don’t see one that isn’t made of pure cope and delusion. I’m not trying to put you down, I honest to goodness don’t see a way back from this. We’ve missed so many legitimate chances to save the union over the last thirty years, even in the last four years. These opportunities have reliably been passed up by cowards, fools, gluttons for money and/or power, and people too busy performing to political high roading to actually do the needful and difficult work called for by these times, and I think our last chance might have sailed. This is it, we’ve hit the end of the road, there’s no clever tweet, great speaker, or national Messiah to lead us back from the brink; we’re either going to tip into naked fascism and all that goes with it, or we walk away. What comes next will not be resolved by anything that will make a feel-good moving in twenty or thirty years. Imo, balkanization is the most practical and least violent of all outcomes for everybody.
Rule number one of OpSec is if you’re gonna do something, don’t tell anyone. If they’re planning something that the government can/would consider illegal, saying something online is the stupidest thing you can do. Even if it’s as innocuous as planning to protest.
I’m layers deep in anonymity. I’m not worried about being found out for what I say.
Pretty sure he’s already shipped legal green card holders already. At the very least it just takes a clerical error to label a citizen incorrectly to accomplish the same thing. And that was even in the face of a court order explicitly telling him not to do that. He just ignored it.
They’ve circumvented due process. Even if you are a US citizen, when do you get a chance to prove it?
Hint: you don’t
He literally already did. Legal US residents were shipped off to a concentration camp with no trial or due process. This is despite a judge ruling that he “can’t.”
He can. He did. He will again if we let him.
Residents and citizens are not the same though. You cannot deport or exile a US citizen. If that happens there will be anarchy in the streets.
Youre either lying or stupid https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-citizen-child-recovering-brain-cancer-deported-mexico-undocumented-rcna196049
They’re both.
Goddamn, you fuckers don’t even realize the context of the articles you linked. Hey Mr dumbass, they didn’t deport the US citizen girl, they had a choice to leave her abandoned in the US or take her with them as they got deported. While this is vile and cruel and worthy of causing civil unrest, she was not deported.
The Trump administration’s border czar, Tom Homan, has said “families can be deported together” regardless of status. Homan said it would be up to the parents to decide whether to depart the U.S. together or leave their children behind.
You can’t deport me I’m a citizen! Look at my genuine passport!
Read the fine print, that’s property of the US Government and they can revoke it whenever they want.
But wait here’s my birth certificate! Surely you can’t…
Mmmmmm, looks like a forgery. We’ll put in a request with your birth state to confirm. In the mean time please take your seat, we’re wheels up to Venezuela in 15 minutes.
https://immigrationimpact.com/2021/07/30/ice-deport-us-citizens/
😂 I’m a US Citizen, I don’t have a passport.
Ok then, even easier, you don’t have shit. Your drivers license is fake, your SSN is stolen.
Shut up and get on the plane
You are missing the point that there are no rules or laws anymore. Legally, there is lots he cant do, but he keeps doing them anyway, because in his mind, legal is anything he gets away with. SCOTUS gave him immunity, and he intends to abuse and exploit it as much as he possibly can.
Until a US Citizen gets deported I’ll sit. I’ve been bombarded with people here saying it’s already happened, but no one can provide me with evidence. You’re all just fear mongering and that’s ridiculous. That’s the psychotic BS MAGA and conservatives do. All I’m seeing is leftists here doing the same and it’s pitiful.
Ive heard a lot MAGAs defending themselves against charges of being Nazis by saying that there haven’t been concentration camps and round-ups of citizens, etc.
Do we really have to wait until they are arresting people exercising their free speech and sending them to concentration camps? Do we really have to wait until we see black smoke belching from prison incinerators, and catch the smell of roasting meat?
If we can see that we are already on that path, if those in charge are making all the moves to prepare for those outcomes by building camps (30,000 bed facility in Gitmo) or sending their current scapegoat victims to black sites in fascist countries without due process, or threatening to charge citizens who are exercising their free speech rights with terrorism, or ignoring judicial orders by saying “We dont care what the judges say,” etc., shouldn’t we do EVERYTHING possible to stop it now, BEFORE they ramp up the wholesale killing machines? Do we really have to let them actually murder millions of innocent people before we finally say “Gee, maybe they are Nazis. Why didn’t somebody do something about this a long time ago?”
Yes we do have to wait, because anything done before that will land you in jail. After they break society we can hunt them down like the animals they are.
He can. They’re basically just kidnapping people and whisking them out of the country before they have time to get legal representation or take it to court. And if a court does manage to rule that the deportations are illegal, Trump’s forces ignore it and deport the people anyway. The only way to stop it is to physically obstruct the deportations, but who is doing that?
Trump has already started ignoring the courts. The rule of law no longer applies in the USA.
He’s already doing it.
I need an example of a US citizen being deported.
No you don’t. You need to prove everyone who was sent to a concentration camp received due process, which they absolutely did not receive because we don’t even have a list of everyone abducted and rendered by ICE.
Clearly you don’t know shit. The burden of proof is on the claimant.
Lmfao what the fuck??? We’re talking about civil rights, not suing McDonald’s over spilled hot coffee
Does the circumstance matter? The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the claimant. I can say you’re a traitor to democracy, but the burden of proof is on me. No wonder us lefties lose all the time.
Bro go troll somewhere else, nobody is buying your “us lefties” schtick
Exactly. That’s why you don’t abduct and intern people without cause. Including citizens.
Game it out.
Say he does this.
Say someone sues. Say they rule against Trump. Say it’s appealed, all the way to the Supreme Court, eventually, and say they actually take the case and rule against him in, at best, a narrow 5-4 ruling.
That’s pretty unlikely. And the defendant will have been in prison a long time, already. And he could just bring them back without much fanfare, as this is a hundred controversies back.
And say he defies the order, especially if the Supreme Court refuses to take it… Then what? Is congress going to harass him for a immigration case? That is political suicide, and the congresspeople would be at real risk of physical retribution too.
This is what populist, fascist dictatorships do. They can’t get away with everything, but they constantly push the envelope and game the systems, hence the orders he is already starting to push.
Obama, Biden, Bush, even Trump on 2016 couldn’t do this because the political support from a base wasn’t there, but now it is.
How will they sue when they have no access to a lawyer, they’ve been picked up off the street, held in black sites incommunicado and then sent to these slave labour camps, never having gone near to a lawyer, a phone or a court?
The people being sent there now have not been convicted of a crime. I wouldnt even be confident that the people sending them into lifetime slavery know who they are. There could already be US citizens kidnapped into slavery for all anyone knows.
That’s the point, the whole chain is extremely unlikely.
Even the first step ‘somebody sues’ is impossible, because you have to have access to a lawyer to sue. Someone needs to know where you are. This has already happened to a lot of people…
Count me as another ally you threw away because you can’t see past your own ignorance.
LOL if you think this way then you were never an ally.
🤣 and leftists wonder why we just keep losing.
I’m sure you’ll be muttering that to yourself on the plane to El Salvador.
Nah dawg, I have guns and will use them before it comes to that. I’m not trying to sound tough either.
I guess you’ll be muttering it to yourself six feet underground
At least I’ll have gone out on my own terms instead of whatever way it is you’ll go.
OK Tough Guy.
Nothing tough about it 😂. You’ll either kill or be killed if it comes to US citizens being deported and if I can take at least one fascist with me I’ve done my job as an American patriot.
Yes, we’re all very impressed with how tough you are, mister tough guy.
