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        Jon Stewart’s latest podcast. Buttigieg is trying to line himself up to be that guy.

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          Well, gross because he’s not even close to that guy. He was one of the candidates who was against Medicare for all. That’s like step 1, the most fundamental thing to be progressive in this day and age.

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            Yup. If you can’t stand up and enthusiastically declare that you support Medicare 4 All as a fundamental right, then shut the fuck up, you’re part of the problem.

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            Corporate media is 100% working to make people who think alternative media is pod save, believe he is that guy.

            Pete doesn’t get to be a candidate until he wins a federal election. Straight up. No candidate who haven’t won a race at SOME Federal level or very high (state Governerships count).

            You need to show you can win elections. The only election Pete was to be a small town mayor. He was awarded for the ratfucking of progressives in 2020 with a cabinet position. And its like. Fine. But go win an election Pete, a real one. Where more than 30k votes are cast.

            He’s the democratic equivalent of Marco Rubio.

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          Buttigieg is well spoken and smart. He’s occasionally, slightly left of (US) center.

          I also think Buttigieg is out to help one person—Pete Buttigieg. Every interview of him that I’ve heard sounds like he’s got a vision, not for the country or humanity, but a vision for Pete Buttigieg. Especially, for Pete Buttigieg to be President.

          He gives some great speeches. He’s sharp and slaps back at MTG and her ilk very effectively. And, I don’t think he’s a Newsom who will pander to bigots.

          But, I can’t shake the feeling that his motives are entirely egocentric.

          Now, you can argue that almost every politician has the same drawback and you’d probably be correct. He might be better than most Democrats. He might be the best option. Still, something doesn’t sit right with me.

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            I don’t think Pete is the next FDR but if he becomes it and improves the lives of millions of people I wouldn’t care about his motivations. If his selfishness/ego drove him to improve America then I’m okay with that.

            But like I said I doubt that will happen.

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        No, you see, they allowed foreign brown people to die on their watch, which is obviously worse than checks notes deporting local brown people with the intent to harm as well?

        /s, just in case someone finds this comment a year later.

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      They made the economy bad by spending too much money toward Ukraine.

      … or something.

      Anyway, time to occupy Gaza, invade Panama, buyout Greenland, maybe invade Canada, ramp up strikes on the Houthis, and leak the group chat planning said strikes…

      oh, and goad China into an an unprecedented trade war, as they are doing full scale drills/mock invasions of Taiwan.

      But its fine because Trump will end the Ukraine war on day one and is therefore the peace candidate.

      … I swear to god I’d have to be beaten in the head with hammers and develop CTE to be operating on the same mental wavelength as Trump scrotum suckers.

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      If they held an actual primary, where voters could democratically choose their candidate, then neither of them would have made it to the election and we could have enthusiastically voted in a better leader.

      Instead, we were told to accept the chosen corporate shill or face the annihilation of our system of government. At this point many voters just gave up, and it showed with lower turnout for both parties compared to the previous election.

      Democrats, especially Biden and Kamala, failed by not ensuring the bare minimum of democracy was preserved for this election.

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      It’s not their fault, but they definitely chose to prioritize supporting a genocide above pleasing their most fervent base.

      They had polling data for months showing the impopularity of it and the low polling numbers. We all saw the polling data.

      They broke what many considered to be an election promise in 2020 that Biden would be a one term. And they robbed their voters of an open primary, most likely because they knew a progressive populist would easily beat Harris. Harris has never appealed to a broad audience.

      But even so, Harris got an enormous boost when she replaced Biden. All she had to do was distance herself from his unpopular positions. She should have criticized Biden on inflation and working class income stagnation. She should have let a Palestinian talk at the DNC. She should have met Arab Americans in Dearborn. And she should have voiced criticism on Netanyahu to get the hostages home and stop the killing. Heck, even Biden had more class when handling upset protestors.

      But she dropped the ball on all those important issues.

      It’s political incompetence and a sell-out to corporate interests.

      I’m sure that someone more savvy like Pete Buttigieg would have easily beaten Trump.

      But still, it’s not their fault. Everything Trump is doing is his fault.

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        You analysis is spot on.

        Harris threw away an easy layup. Trump was as unpopular as Biden when Biden dropped out.

        And the Democratic machine couldnt make a W happen because they are owned by AIPAC. They would have had to call the genocide for what it was.

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          Not sure I still understand the reasoning that some how wants to allow the non-voters to not own up to their mistake. If both parties were the same on the same issue of Palestine then that’s an issue that cancels each other out, I am not saying this is not atrocious from both parties because it is. But the rest of Pro’s should have been more then enough to warrant an effort from the non-voters to make an effort to save their democracy, rights and freedom.

          I have seen it time and time again after the election, “iT’s tHe MeSsAgInG”. If sound reasoning and logic was applied the red flags were very loud from the Trump camp that what he is visiting upon the US is what was going to be expected if he won. So no, I will always tell those non-voters that their inaction is what helped cause all of this and by a large factor.

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      Imagine holding onto this. Yes, this wouldn’t be happening under a democratic regime. But surely you recognize they are making just as much money here, right??? Schumer bitched out for a reason. As long as they get paid, the status quo continues.

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      America has never been truly great, it has just had the potential to be. But every minute of America’s existence has included systematic exploitation and/or genocide of one group or another - Native Americans, slaves, black Americans, non-Christian religions, women, children, immigrants, workers, the poor, etc.

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      Ah yes, 1950, when America was the only massively industrialized nation in the world that hadn’t been bombed into fucking oblivion during WW2, and therefore dominated the global economy by default.

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      “The Great Depression produced the Greatest Generation, and we’re going to do it again!” -HitlerPig, to wild applause from MAGA Morons.