- Trump and his supporters are slamming Joe Biden for quitting the race and endorsing Kamala Harris.
- Some members of MAGA world are bemoaning the millions of dollars spent running against Joe Biden.
- Biden’s withdrawal also means Trump is now the oldest candidate in the presidential race.
Incidentally, there’s a bunch of people on Lemmy really mad that they can’t tell everyone not to vote for Biden anymore. They’ll tell us not to vote for whoever is going to be his replacement though.
Eh, their new dissent orders seem to be “Biden can’t appoint Harris! I didn’t vote for her!” which, of course, displays a total lack of knowledge about what primaries are and what the DNC is.
They didn’t want Biden to run, and now they mysteriously don’t want the person most of the party supports to run either.
Right? It’s almost as if they’ve never been approaching any of this in good faith.
You’re telling me someone would just go on the internet an lie?
It’s a massive social hub with influence on all the worlds information. What possible motivation could someone have try to influence people by faking accounts and make bad faith arguments?
Sorry, it just doesn’t add up. Now, you’ve interrupted me hitting myself in the head repeatedly with a hammer and this brain damageisnthgomr e
Almost like they want Trump to win, hmmmmmm
I’m seeing a lot of “wHat AbOuT A pRimArY” already from the usual bad actors.
displays a total lack of knowledge
Well we are talking about right wingers here, kinda par for the course. :P
I’ve seen iterations of “the Democrats stabbed Biden in the back!” too many times on here over the past 24 hours for it to be a coincidence
The uptick in those types of accounts makes this site start to feel like 2016 reddit 😂. Lemmy has become large enough to justify investment of bots to brigade and astroturf; we’ve made it!
Someone should start a Lemmy.ru instance with communities like /c/kremlin or maybe /c/remlin
Get ready to repeat this: “The Biden of today is not the Biden who was voted for in the primaries.” Even Biden himself acknowledged that by stepping aside as candidate!
You know what I’m not seeing?
ANY of these accounts that were so relentless in their criticism of Biden and how he needed to step down because otherwise the Democrats would lose, being simply happy about this.
ALL of the tentative happiness about Harris maybe being a stronger candidate than Biden was, is coming from people who were either neutral or defending Biden before. The people who were giving a firehose of criticism to Biden and demanding that it was MANDATORY for him to step down, for the good of the Democrats and the country, have for the most part fallen silent, and a whole new grouping has arisen to give criticism to Harris and say that as good progressives they could never vote for a cop.
I was one of them and now am elated to vote for a non-geriatric piece of shit and a woman.
Same
Yeah, they can’t take two seconds to enjoy the victory they wanted. They have to move on to the next thing to bitch and moan about.
They didn’t want Biden to step down. They wanted him running against Trump and losing.
Pretty much. That way when Trump won, they could say “see? We told you so!”
Much more important than them or people they might care about getting marched into camps.
Nope just didn’t want bomb em Biden there
You already told me in another post that you’re not celebrating this and have moved on to Harris.
bomb em Biden
- Takes too long to even figure out
- Not really all that punchy
- “Genocide Joe” is already perfectly serviceable without these drawbacks
- Dude… he’s out of the race now. Why you are even trying out new ways to dunk on Joe at this point is beyond me. Unless you were just excited that you thought of it and wanted to have a chance to apply it before the moment is past even though the moment is, at this point, past
3/10. It’s not, like, a total failure, but there are multiple reasons just not even to use it. Can I recommend “cacklin’ Kamala” instead, as a replacement?
Exactly.
It’s quite insidious.
Today I’m suddenly seeing a lot of “vote blue no matter who”, which IMO is intended to stifle enthusiasm for Kamala.
If the left could unite behind a candidate we’d destroy the GOP.
Nope, I just wanted his Israel supporting ass gone, she’ll probably do the same, but I KNOW he will
That’s not true! I danced a jig when we found out. I was voting against Trump but now I am voting for Harris.
Several others are not. Including a person who has been posting anti-Biden articles in this community for months, who has now switched to anti-Harris articles.
They never thought it would happen. They shot themselves in both feet with shotguns. Now they’re in panic mode because they’re realizing they’re really fucked now.
Hi there one of those people!
Then I guess you’re only happy if you’re miserable.
ANY of these accounts that were so relentless in their criticism of Biden and how he needed to step down because otherwise the Democrats would lose, being simply happy about this.
Really? I’ve seen plenty of posts like that. Stuff like “Donated to the democratic party to show this was necessary”, “Finally, we can safely roast Trump for being old and senile”, “I don’t care who the replacement is, thank god he’s out”.
There are some shit-stirrers, but they seem to be the minority.
Disclaimer: I am not American, cannot vote or donate, am heavily invested in the election due to the ramifications on Ukraine.
Can you link me to them?
You don’t, like, have to, but I am genuinely curious. I haven’t seen that and I am wondering if there is some segment of Lemmy that I am missing.
Just look around this comment section, and other comment sections in [email protected] and [email protected]
As I said, there’s the occasional commenter that is trying to throw shit at the democratic party generally, but by and large the majority of comments are in favour of this, and if you click through to individual users it’s not hard to find users that were hoping that Biden would drop out a week ago.
Wasn’t rabid before, but I was one of those for Biden stepping down in favor of Kamala. I just wanted a strong voice that was capable of at least countering Trump’s endless spew of lies. But I have noticed those that are now bashing Kamala were also telling people not to vote for Biden.
Bots gonna bot
They’re waiting on the next talking points from their Russian overlords. Give it a day or so and they’ll be back with some new, yet all the same, arguments.
I’m happy AF.
Biden’s legacy is secure. He can rest easy as the man who beat back the right-wing fascist autocracy and led the country to elect the first female president. 🤞
Idk how this season is going to end but the writers have definitely been building toward something.
Remember the end of season 1 of “Arcane”, where everything looks like maybe it’s gonna be okay, and then you get to see in slow motion how an unexpected spasm of violence undoes anything good that might have been building, and you know everything’s gonna be bad, bad bad, going forward?
I hope I am wrong
Right here!
Me, 22 days ago
We’ve never had a pair of candidates this unpopular. (Maybe Trump vs Clinton)
If the Dems had any kind of brains, they absolutely would pick someone else at the convention.
Just not Harris; She might be the only one, less popular than Biden is.At this point, I guess she’s a better pick than Biden, just not by much.
I still want an open convention, and someone else.I think the missing factor to consider is that Biden is unpopular mostly because of the media telling absolute dogshit lies about him like that he was bad for the economy.
Sure, he’s old. But if “elderly” was a disqualifying factor, then “insurrectionist” would be, also. I think the issue is that the media is going in the tank against the progressive, as they tend to do, and that that has the potential to swing against any genuinely decent candidate that the Democrats want to put forward. I sorta hesitate to say that a good answer to that is “okay well let’s just put forward a more corporate friendly candidate who will be ‘popular’ with the people whose perception is shaped by the media.”
But if “elderly” was a disqualifying factor, then “insurrectionist” would be, also.
Those two things are unrelated.
One is a crime, the other is inevitable.But my issue is that nearly all the Democratic elite, are more or less anti-progressive. The only real economic populist thing I know Biden did was appoint Lina Kahn as the FTC chair.
I would love to see her as a candidate! But she chose to be born in England, taking herself out of the running.
The only real economic populist thing I know Biden did was appoint Lina Kahn as the FTC chair.
Half a trillion dollars spent addressing climate change, huge boosts to domestic manufacturing and unions, resulting in big wage gains for the working class outpacing even historic levels of inflation, income inequality actually going down which usually doesn’t happen in the US, big hike in corporate tax by two trillion dollars to pay for all of that
The fact that Biden wasn’t seen as a victory for working people and progressive goals in the US is a sign of how INSANELY counterfactual our media created political reality is
lol that’s a really broad extrapolation of what, a few people you saw that happened to post something in the last day? Just boldly labeling anyone who had a criticism of Biden as a bitter troll or something?
Ozma in pieces right now…
You’d think so, but they already have moved on to “don’t vote for Harris” posts.
I actually was curious about it, so I looked over his posts, and it’s all over the place. Pro-Marianne Williamson, anti-Nancy Pelosi, pro-open convention and by implication anti-“coronation”, criticizing Harris for not being LBGTQ friendly enough…
Actually. You know what, it’s not really all that all over the place. 🙂 It’s just a little bit subtle with the consistent anti-Harris / anti-Democrat message, from different angles, enough so that I didn’t really pick up on it until I started typing them out.
Also I notice Marianne Williamson is starting to edge out Cornel West as the nonsensical candidate to support instead of the candidate that might be able to win the election
Why am I not surprised…
What is ozma?
Already happening. They’re testing the waters to see what’s going to stick.
I just ran into them trying to promote Jill stein in another thread lol
This Jill Stein?
Hmm…
RFK has been abandoned.
It’s pretty hard to argue in favor of the brain worms guy.
To be fair, though, even with literal brain damage, he’s still not the worst candidate on the ballot.
A steaming pile of Biden’s dogs shit would be a better candidate than Dementia Don, the racist rapist with 34 felonies that can’t complete a coherent sentence.
He wormed his own way out.
And her past as a prosecutor, and the fact that she lost the primary 4 years ago, and her laugh. In addition to yours, that’s all I’ve seen so far. They ran “Heels up Harris” into the ground several years ago, but I do think it will make a return at some point. It was a shit insult but so are the others they’re trying to use.
Really all they have is a terrible legal gambit to try to keep her off ballots. That one is laughably bad. No deadlines have passed. The idiot at the front of the House said something stupid. I would hammer that until election day. “The Republicans did their best to keep us off the ballot because they hate freedom and democracy. They don’t want you to have a choice. And Trump endorsed Harris. Here’s the check.”
She also said something hard to understand about coconuts. Don’t forget that one. That means something or other.
Now they’re panicking and can’t decide if she’s unlikable or if she’s the “whacky aunt” entertaining everyone at the barbecue.
I went to the other place to check TFGs meltdown tweets or truths or turds or whatever they call them and I was not disappointed. He is asking for his money back because the attack ads they’ve purchased were against Joe.
Oh yeah I’ve been called a fascist already because I said I’d vote for Harris and that while she isn’t the best candidate she will be leagues better than Biden imo.
While I never told anyone not to vote for Biden, I definitely openly bitched about him not being capable of speaking and the absolute joke it is. I’m not a fan of Harris, but my God, a sentient adult I’d amazing.
Everything they already pinned on Joe (like mainly Israel) they can pin on her because she was part of the same administration. Plus they will now also point at things from her past, like history as a criminal prosecutor, and blame her for that as well. Since that won’t align with progressive criminal reform agenda. And they might call her a race traitor as well, just for good measure. Should be interesting to see what the tankies and communists come up with.
there’s a bunch of people on Lemmy really mad that they can’t tell everyone not to vote for Biden anymore.
is there any evidence for this claim at all?
You ignore the rest of us who have, weird to only pretend one side exists
I guess I wasn’t talking about you then, was I?
But do please explain why I shouldn’t have ignored the people I wasn’t criticizing when I was criticizing another group. Is this some weird ‘both sides’ thing?
Maybe they should have spent time and money promoting their candidate instead of attacking the other
This is really what it boils down to. But with Trump there is nothing to promote. The only way they can win is by ruining the reputation of their opponent to try to make them look worse.
What about hunters laptop? That’s still going to be a huge deal right? Right??
Didn’t you know Kamala let her tamagotchi die 30 years ago? Do you know where that tamagotchi has been buried? You might not know about this, but everyone is talking about this. But they don’t because they are too scared to talk about it. A lot of good people. They talk about it. And the world is laughing at us. The good people talking about this are too scared to talk because the world is laughing.
The best people tell me Hillary Clinton had a tamagotchi just like it. So sad. So sad.
Rumour has it she used it for e-mail.
Have they looked for it on that underground pizza place? All them libruls have secret meetings in there, for realsies!
Kalama has stepchildren. They are about to be dragged through the mud.
But it doesn’t matter if he had nothing to promote. He’s not above lying. This was just a bad decision on their part. Even if biden hadn’t dropped out, there’s no guarantee that a man that age will be here in four months.
He’s not above lying.
Lying is one of the things he has a lot of practice doing.
He’s not very good at it, though, he contradicts his lies with other lies on a regular basis.
I said the exact same thing this morning to a coworker. They have no policies, just hate.
Project 2025 tends to disagree
True. Their policies are so bad they have to disavow them…
Except to the right audience they are extremely proud of them. Yes overall their policies are unpopular but they aren’t without support
Sure - but they don’t need to win those folks votes
What’s the point here? I’m trying to point out the very real danger they represent. Are you really going to downplay that danger? This is how we lost roe v wade
Whoa…I agree with you. And I’m not sure why what I said upset you. I am just speaking in the context of the discussion of the post which is campaign strategy.
We need to shout about Project 2025 from the rooftops because it’s so toxic the Trump campaign wants it to stay hidden.
It’s that they don’t need to be won over. They are going to vote for Trump regardless.
That seems like a hatred manifesto more than policy.
Call it what you want. The document is very clearly full of harmful policy goals.
Yeah, it’s not a difficult concept
I was thinking this when everyone was saying it’s too late to change candidates. While that might have been true if a campaign consisted of promoting people’s positives, that’s not what it is. It’s all about finding the dirt on the other and switching candidates late just means there has been less shit talked.
That and attacking the ideas, not the person.
Policies don’t sell in the current political climate. It has been all about Trump vs not Trump since 2016.
Oh, I understand, but if was still their strategy choice.
Trump added that he thought the GOP should be “reimbursed for fraud.”
Trump raises an excellent point: his campaign was forced to waste money against Biden for as long as it did only for the Democrats to pull the rug out from under him by pulling Joe out of the race. This, if anything, is a form of cheating.
AH HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
GOP: Fuck your feelings might makes right REAL MEN ARE BACK don’t tread on me THESE COLORS DON’T RUN SON
Also: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Unironically “I object on the grounds that it’s devastating to my case”
Ahh, the famous cheat of checks notes changing your mind weeks before announcing a decision.
Biden was never running against Trump in the 2024 election. The Democrats still have not announced a candidate. If the Republicans wanted to campaign against the presumptive nominee before an official decision was made, that’s on them.
I can’t believe all those stupid anti-biden truck decals etc will be rendered pointless in a matter of months. I better start making anti-Kamala decals if i want to properly capitalize on these next 4 years 🤑
Edit: cry into your fuckin ear-squares ya bunch of sad sacks
Their favorite cheap Chinese manufacturers are already on it, ready to take more of their money.
You can still cash in. There always needs to be the middle man in that scenario, buy em for $3 each. Sell em for $20 at flea markets and fairs.
I’m not interested in generating fascist, environment-polluting junk though.
Yeah, but it’ll take a few weeks for those to get here on the slow boat from China.
Those people aren’t going to let go of their anti-Biden identity that easily, we will probably still see those decals for years.
In fairness… a lefty could make bank on anti Kamala stickers (that secretly hide they are too her but only people who finished school would notice)
GOP: “Your candidate is unfit for office.”
Dems: “Okay, we got a new candidate.”
GOP: shocked pikachu
No no not like that! We’re going to sue!
They’re going to, probably in every single red state.
They’re going to throw so much shit at the wall due to election ballot timing that unfortunately I think something will stick… it more than likely wont be legitimate, but we have way too many corrupt judges out there :(
I don’t think it’s a given that something will stick in a way that actually throws a wrench in the election. It would have to be in a swing state, the judge would have to be willing to become infamous around the world, and willing to ignore the precedent that generally political parties can choose candidates how they want and of course a nominee can decline the nomination.
Oh fuck, Aileen Cannon exists…
If there is any way Mississippi and Arkansas can keep a black woman Democrat off the ballot, they will find it.
Please get me out of this state
You mean Mississippi and Arkansas might go red? I guess our entire electoral strategy’s doomed, then!
They aren’t going to sue. They are going to start shooting. They’ve outright stated that. It’s crystal clear: they’ve said that the revolution would be “bloodless” only if the left “allowed” it to be. I really wanted to live long enough to build a family,.
You missed what Johnson said this morning. He says it’s “unlawful” in some states. (Which is not true in the slightest and they know it)
How much you want to bet that this only will be “unlawful” in red shithole states
He’s basically giving a dog whistle to maggot judges to hold the line for the fascist party’s interest if these “challenges” come to them.
Some of us live in those red shitholes. Send help. Please.
The only nice thing about those red shitholes is that it’s stupidly easy to get a gun. Get one. Join your local chapter of the SRA. Train at the local range at least twice a month so that you are proficient with it. Learn all the local stand your ground laws. Memorize them. When they start shooting, aim center mass.
While a pistol is far more portable, it requires far more training, as the lower mass of the firearm results in a larger than expected kick. Shotguns are really the weapon of choice for urban defense.
I personally have a couple of extremely nice sniper crossbows, that are basically silent. Seriously, the bolt impacting my target makes more noise than the bow. A couple of T-33s, an AA-12, and a 30-06. Lots of ammo too.
Learning how to reload your ammo is also invaluable, should they start shooting. Have a “riot shield,” basically the largest piece of steel you can easily carry that is more than 2" thick. Body armor is also a useful investment.
How is it unlawful? The candidate hasn’t even been formally selected yet.
Exactly. It’s not. And they know it. The fact they’re trying to run to their judges means they are scared.
Can we try not to talk like Trump? No state as a whole is a shit hole full of shit hole people, those kinds of statements reek of elitism and it’s not a good look.
I live in Oklahoma. It is a shithole. I live in a shithole state.
Now their candidate is the old fuck and is a felon who’s fighting against a black woman (!) that used to send felons to jail.
Of course they are pissed! As they should be!
I absolutely can’t WAIT for the next debate.
and Trump can’t chicken out without looking like a Chump…
He will chicken out. He’ll pull some excuse about unfair rules or a biased moderator that will be completely and utterly transparent to everyone except his base.
It’s transparent to his base too. It’s not that they don’t see the lies, it’s that they don’t care.
To Republicans, winning matters more than playing by the rules. This isn’t some gentlemanly game of chess. It’s a knife fight. The future of their country hangs in the balance, and the only thing that matters is being the people who steer the ship. If you have to lie cheat and steal to get there, so be it.
The Dems need to wake the fuck up and start doing the same.
Nice, I didn’t pay attention this weekend and this is the first I’m hearing Biden stepped down.
Great way to start a Monday at least
Harris is not confirmed, by the way, just a presumptive nominee. The Democratic Party is gathering behind her as it stands.
In other words: it’s Kamala Harris.
The Democratic National Convention’s rules committee are also set to meet on Wednesday to discuss the process for picking a new candidate.
I imagine they won’t just push her forward, but who knows.
Maybe they will start to realize the persistent election cycle is not a good thing. I would love to see a ban on all election campaigning until 90 days before said election but that wouldn’t get past a 1st amendment challenge.
Just do publicly funded elections, including things like publicly funded frequent small debates where the candidates had to appear as reasonably competent adults who could defend their ideas, and resurrect some of the regulations like the fairness doctrine and caps on media consolidation
The dogshit quality of the current election coverage is mostly a problem because it is the only type of coverage that is available. I think if there was a widely available and well funded type of election coverage that wasn’t this cash grab horse race ad supported bullshit, the bullshit would have to compete against it and would lose and improve as a result.
That sounds like socialism or something!
How about publicly funded elections and limits on campaigning more than 90 days before an election?
Lets start by putting a cap on how much money can be spent on campaigns and keep it at a very minimal level.
Start by eliminating superPACs.
Sounds good. We’ll just need to re-do Citizens United with fewer than 5 fully regressive appointees purchased by billionaires.
That’ll never work, big donors will just hide it or do the advertising themselves unrelated of course
In the blink of an eye, their surplus of hateful anti-Biden merchandise becomes even more useless. This will surely make them realize how idiotic their cult is /s.
The Democrats should have flip-flopped candidates for months, ruining those people with hateful merchandise.
Technically Harris isn’t confirmed yet!
Oh no, all of their bots will have to be reprogrammed.
I’m having a blast trolling Trump supporters on Instagram. They’re short fusing right now.
Post screenshots as Lemmy content!
I need this in my life please
It’s why they’re all so quiet now.
Bots and trolls in shambles right now
This would be a good time for republicans to campaign on all the politics they intend to run. Lol. They’ve been unusually silent lately. because they can’t find common ground on anything but being anti-democrat.
GOP will implode on itself if Democrats just stay silent for a week or two.
they can’t find common ground on anything but being anti-democrat.
Sadly that’s all that’s needed in a first past the post system that has boiled down to two parties. It’s only tribalism at this point.
Some members of MAGA world are bemoaning the millions of dollars spent running against Joe Biden.
Curiously, they’re not mad about the multiple tens of millions of their dollars being spent on Trump’s lawyers.
It is a conspiracy for one side to strategically do a better job and be better.
Yeah I bet the skeevers are upset, regularless of the new nominee Trump is almost surely going to get destroyed in the next debate. Also now most of Trump’s points against Biden apply to himself instead of the other candidate.
I would actually watch a Harris v Trump debate, despite the fact that I violently dislike modern debate formatting and moderation
Doubt very highly trump will agree to one.
Plenty of people were convinced Teump wouldn’t do the first one.
Keep in mind how much he overestimates and overstates his own abilities.
I only believed that because he preemptively made excuses as to why he wouldn’t attend the last one. I’m sure he’s glad he did now considering the outcome, but I wouldn’t put it past him to simply opt to not take the risk debating Harris. People are quick to forget, he also performed badly during that debate, but everyone’s focus was on Biden’s apparent sundowning. He got away with one bad performance, but he probably won’t be so lucky next time.
Is that muppet cousin It?
That is Red Guy! If you haven’t seen Don’t Hug Me I’m Scared, you should check it out. Wildly bizarre and trippy youtube series. They also made a tv series recently, but I haven’t seen that yet.
Yup yup yup, uh-huh
Have you tried being creative?
He’s already said it should be on fox news for fairness
Maybe I’ll just wait for the Bad Lip Reading edit
Highly doubt he’ll debate her.
They should be mad. Biden stands down with a perfect 1-0 record of defeating Trump with no chance of rematch.
So they are basically admitting that their whole campaign argument was “Biden is bad Trump is not Biden” and now that he is gone, the argument is invalid. After all if it was a campaign mostly about Trump’s positive qualities (in their perspective) then it should not have really mattered who the opposition is.
The problem with Trump being a talentless orange idiot is that the only quality he had was being younger than Biden.
Which was like twins that argue over who’s older.
