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    Because he IS too old. Biden did the right thing. Selflessly put the country before himself and listened to his party. I don’t think Trump would ever have enough morals or integrity to do that in a million years unfortunately. So we’ll have to beat the old loon and his band of circus freaks at the polls, again.

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      Biden was never supposed to run for a second term, and then dragged his feet until the very last minute. The selfless thing would’ve been to step aside for someone younger before the race began

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            I am aware of that, considering that the article I linked is a direct response to that claim. If you notice the article you link does not quote Biden, but an anonymous source, and when reporters asked Biden he said: “I don’t have any plans on one term.”

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          Not that I’m suggesting that this was intentional or that he did right to wait, but there are a few upsides. Trump and the Republicans were fully prepared and frothing to take on that blubbering old man from that last debate, but now they’re actually going to make a case for Trump over a (hopefully) real contender. And many Democrat voters went from feeling defeated and apathetic, potentially enough to not even bother voting, to being charged with a second chance and a (again, hopefully) more exciting candidate to support. If Biden had declared his intention not to run again before the primaries, the Republicans would have had much longer to prepare and pick apart someone who wasn’t such an easy target, and Dems would have been infighting over the nuances of a dozen candidates and pissed off at each other. And, if Harris is the presumptive nomination, for better or worse, the knee jerk reaction from the Right will probably be to play up the racist and sexist angles, which should drive moderates away from the right, not away from Harris.

          It’s all conjecture, but I only see this as a net positive compared to where we were yesterday.

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            More importantly imo: it put Biden and the Dems in the news and overshadowed the attempted assassination. Which kept its new cycle short and put the dems back on top. Trump hates being out of the news, and was right that the media wants him back because they loved the numbers he provided. The DNC should make a circus out of this to keep it in the news and with constant breaking news events. It’s stupid, and I hate it, but it would help them win.

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            I mean, 5d chess if true.

            but that would be a dangerous, stupid game - and we know they would never do that, right? right?

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              its more of a mr bean dodging a certain death by finding a penny after wandering into a closed off area scenario, but I’ll take it.

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          agreed, never should have tried for the second bite.

          however… dems now have an opportunity to own the news cycle from here until the election. if they do even a halfway decent job, we start trending from “narrow loss” -> “political landslide”.

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            I don’t think all the messaging in the world can fix the reality that Biden hasn’t improved material conditions of the people who voted for him in 2020, or even gone to the mat fighting for them.

            The only things he’s really gone around congress or the SCOTUS for is to deny more asylum seekers and give more weapons to Israel and Ukraine.

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              He absolutely has. We’re getting public transit built out. Caps on overdraft fees. Capped the price of insulin. Invalidated most non-compete clauses. Oh, and he didn’t encourage his supporters to attack the Capitol Building and hang Mike Pence.

              Oh, and he didn’t get a bunch of Americans killed by Covid because he cared more about the stock market than people.

              I’d also like to see Ukraine not fall to Russia.

              That’s just what I can name of the top of my head. He was a better president than Obama.

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                Yeah, Biden invested in long term improvement for the first time in a long time. Yeah it’s not paying out immediately, we’re struggling in part because we kept expecting immediate returns. It’s gonna stay a bit rough for a little while longer but it’s stabilizing with hope on the horizon.

                Or we could cash out our savings again…

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                We’re getting public transit built out

                Nothing around me except wider highways, nor anyone I know. Unless the brightline is part of that, which is nice, but doesn’t compete with airfare and driving.

                Caps on overdraft fees

                lmao just get rid of them, people who have no money don’t need less penalties, they need no penalties. There is not a “medium overdraft fees” constituency who will vote against the dems if they get rid of overdraft fees.

                Capped the price of insulin

                See previous response. If you have the power to cap it, you have the power to make it free.

                he didn’t encourage his supporters to attack the Capitol Building and hang Mike Pence.

                Stop trying to make trump’s army of divorced Jet Ski dealers sound cool. Most Americans hate congress and Mike Pence.

                Oh, and he didn’t get a bunch of Americans killed by Covid because he cared more about the stock market than people.

                He literally ended the covid protections, told people not to wear masks, and a bunch of Americans did receive long-term injury or death from covid before they stopped counting.

                I’d also like to see Ukraine not fall to Russia.

                Because of our actions, Ukraine will never be safe within our lifetimes. Every bomb we send is a bad day for someone, statistically mostly civilians. Any stance except peace as soon as possible demonstrates that you care less about the lives of the actual people living in Ukraine than you do supporting imperialism.

                We could have had peace with similar terms to what we can get now two years ago, and millions would be alive and in their homes right now. But instead we decided to fight Russia to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.

                He was a better president than Obama.

                The patron saint of drones, who halved black wealth to bail out the banks? The deporter-in-chief who paved the way for Trump? That’s not the flex you think it is.

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                  Besides everything else being nonsense, every word about Ukraine is a lie because Putin explicitly NEVER wanted peace, he wants all of Ukraine and just like with Crimea he intends to take it bit by bit. Ukraine are the ones who chose fight, and you want to abandon them so Russia can occupy them and kill all the resistance under your watch, just like they’re doing in all the regions they already occupied and control. That would spill MORE blood than convincing Russia they will lose the conflict and lose all land.

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                  Back to back to back garbage takes lmao. Spare us your sanctimonious ‘improving things is unworthy of praise because they didn’t immediately make it perfect’ line of reasoning. It serves only to cause inaction and infighting. I’d much rather some improvement rather than no improvement.

                  By the way, don’t act like the Ukrainians don’t have a right to defend themselves, and don’t act like this isn’t an existential conflict for them. If you’re so worried about condemning imperialism, then maybe you should take a look at what Russia’s revanchist land grab here would be called, and then consider if maybe we should support the little guy so that they don’t get bowled over by an imperialist power looking to take back the glory days.

                  Anyways, nice bait.

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              Supporting unions so they got their demands for better conditions through, student debt forgiveness, everything his FTC appointment has been doing to fight monopolies, etc

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              the current reality is not the future reality - thats their sell, basically obama “hope-ishness”. personally, I think it can work to keep trump out of office. this is a generational moment and the dems have it on their side.

              so, with luck, we get to reject trump and, depending on the turnout, watch where progressives settle around.the seat of power.

              between the dems and republicans, they have whittled down progressive representation, but its still there.

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                Whoever the candidate is, they have to avoid talking about Israel and use vague language on the issue. If they come out swinging for Israel I think it would not be a good look.

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                  No messaging or surrogate can have a good answer to “why haven’t you already done it?”

                  If instead of vaguely suggesting there might be a ceasefire sometime in the future if the dems remain in power, they stopped all arms shipments to Israel and sanctioned them until all Palestinians are granted equal political rights and right-to-return, you wouldn’t be asking yourself “How do I dress up support for an ongoing genocide”, you’d be telling people “We ended apartheid”

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                  this is where you use surrogates. signal with the surrogates and keep yourself out of the fray.

                  we will learn a lot by who is doing the most interesting talking on behalf of the campaign.

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                The real powerplay if Trump loses would be to pass an amendment setting a maximum age to run for president. Maybe tie it to retirement age. Old enough to receive social security, too old to run. Ideally you make that apply to all political offices, but I’m not that optimistic. Not that I think there’s a snowballs chance in hell of this actually happening as that would be a sane and sensible thing to do and therefore antithetical to everything our current crop of politicians stand for.

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                  dream big dreams.

                  if we manage to hobble past this brush against the mirror, then cool. maybe we don’t like the monster after all.

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                thats their sell, basically obama “hope-ishness”

                That works when you’ve had 8 years of Bush and are campaigning on free healthcare, ending the wars, federal legalization of cannabis. It works when you’ve had 4 years of Trump and everyone thinks the democrats will defund the police, provide free healthcare and college, abolish ICE, codify roe, pack the court, etc. Then when you fail to do any of that, you get the shit kicked out of you 2 years later.

                The dems cannot campaign on hope when they’ve demonstrated that they will not give the people what they want.

                This isn’t a messaging problem, it’s a “triangulating yourself to be 2 inches left of republicans and then acting surprised when your base doesn’t show up” for 30+ years problem.

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                  How much of that was blocked in some way by the reps? Every time the peanut gallery chimes in with “what did Dems ever get accomplished?” they never provide the required addendum that reps are obstructionists.

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                  many of biden’s appointees such as his NLRB pick are better than the last 3 democrats.

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                  agreed. the Democrats have been abusive. cant really do anything about that until we have a better nomination, funding and voting system.

                  trump is a time dilation machine. the closer we get to him the shorter my horizon gets. keeping him away from the near dictatorial powers the supreme court just sanctioned is my primary objective.

                  I (and perhaps you) and many others should remember that the age we grew in defined us. the younger see things a little differently

                  I am just tryng to make enough space between the ancient vampires and our kids to allow them to have a say in their future.

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        I think most people had no idea he was significantly declining, hence the astonishment at the debate. And some people around him seem to have been encouraging the denial (or worse). I’m unclear if he was doing better many months ago before primaries.

        I can’t imagine how insulated and reliant on advisors and other employees the president becomes. Quickly surrounded by people who have no interest in being the bearer of bad news. Probably akin to billionaires, and we see what they mutate into (some kind of Musk-like creature).

        I’m so relieved that Biden was able to come to this painful decision, even if it was late. On the bright side, at least there’s less time for the GOP to smear the new nominee. And no more televised convention for them to host the lies for free.

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          There was a significant effort to hide Biden’s disability. The upper echelons in the Dem party have a lot to answer for.

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            You think the Repubs are ever gonna even put in any effort to hide Trumps disability?

            Cos frankly, it’s starting to feel like it doesn’t matter when it’s their king. what are your thoughts? Does trump suffer from entropy like the rest of us?

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              It’s one of those things, strategy. If I point out an obvious flaw in the Dem’s candidate, it doesn’t follow that the opposition is superior. Trump can rot in hell for all I care. I don’t give a tin shit about his plan or strategy. I just want the best person the Dems can find to take him down. Pretty simple really.

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                But you realise that having discussions like that on open public forums just legitimises the particularly twisted viewpoints of maga people then… Surely.

                There are only gonna be 2 people (realistically) in the race if you truly care about what you claim… Then fuck no do the dem party not have shit all to answer for… not when you compare them to maga.

                And like you said. Strategy. That’s all thats important for Americans right now.

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                  Don’t know what you are talking about. I think that the issue is now resolved. They just left things on hold for too long.

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                  For goodness sake. It’s not just the MAGA lunatics. The whole world saw the debate. People like you are asking us to disbelieve our own eyes. Being a realist doesn’t make you an enemy.

                  Anyway, chill, the problem has been resolved and the orange ape is going down. Unity is the watchword. The only old fluck in the race in Trump.

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          And everyone should have foreseen the age problem with Biden running a second term…

          I think most will agree, dnc should have started pushing another candidate the week after jan6.

          Biden himself ran on being one term.

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        He only planned to serve one term? I’m sure you have a source for that…?

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    Trump doesn’t care about the responsibility of being president. He likes the power and prestige of it.

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      But I don’t want real power, because with real power comes real responsibility, and I don’t want any of that shit.

      I just want the money.

      And the illusion of power.

      And puss.

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    “The first party to retire its 80-year old candidate is going to be the one who wins this election.”

    — Nikki Haley, in January.

    BTW, I think it would be good for Dems to always call Trump 80. It will be a good irritation for Republicans

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      I’ve been getting down voted for saying it for a year…

      But yeah, trump doesn’t stand a fucking chance now. Also, this is probably the only way to get people excited about Kamala.

      2028 better be a real primary or we just kicked the can down the road.

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        You know it will probably be either the Harris reelection effort, or no election due to complications from Trumpitis

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            Damn, I just found out Kamala is almost 60…

            I don’t know why I thought Biden would have picked someone young enough to be president after him.

            Should have gotten one of the “kids” in their 40s.

            We need to stop running elderly people, if Biden had done two and she did two after, she’d be in her 70s too

            We’re stuck in this situation where we demand “experience” but the people holding the spots that count for “experience” are decades past retirement age.

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              Even if she would serve two terms in a row, she would still only be 67 by the time shes finished, so thats still way younger than what Trump or Biden have been during their terms.

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                Right.

                But apparently Biden always intended to run twice, making her 71 at the end of her second term…

                But 67 is still too old for lots of people. And above everything thing else the presidency is a popularity contest.

                Younger candidates like Obama and Bill get more votes, which carries down ballot races, and let’s us get the House and Senate so the president can get shit done.

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              Almost 60 is fine. She’s still got the majority of her mental faculties that she had at her peak. Low chance of her just randomly kicking over at any given time unlike the two candidates we had in this election until yesterday.

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                Almost 60 is fine.

                It is.

                But if Biden did a second term, she’d be 64.

                And 72 at the end of her two terms.

                Which is why I’m saying Biden should have picked a you Obama type who’s a decade younger for VP.

                Instead of someone who would be in their 70s if everything went to plan.

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          Gotta keep the pressure up.

          Make her promise to an open and fair 2028 primary before the 2024 election.

          None of this wishwashy shit where everyone close to Biden promise it’s a one turn thing, but the candidate doesn’t understand how shitty of a candidate they are.

          Kamala’s gonna win because she’s not trump. Not because she’s what Dem voters want.

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        Harris still has a lot of animosity towards her from her time as a prosecutor, but I’m thinking she’s at least a better candidate than biden. The expected republican attacks of “she’s black” and “she’s a woman” probably won’t sway anyone as much as “Joe Biden personally shoots Palestinian kids.”

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          She’ll be fine.

          Moderates like her already, and as someone who’s had to vote Hillary and Joe in the last two elections…

          It’s easier for progressives to hold their nose when they have the benefit of the doubt about how bad the candidate is.

          We’re fucking fighting fascism bro, her being a DA might even be a good thing if she’s actually down to fight fascists. Don’t forget before McCarthyism we had capitalists allying with communists to fight fascism.

          Hell, if she pulls a “I know the system, I know it needs fixed, and I look forward to being president so it can be fixed” would guarantee she’s the next prez.

          It doesn’t take much, we’rre just coming off the two worst Dem candidates in modern history, and still got a trump hangover from his term. So Kamala would have to really fuck shit up to lose.

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          Ughhh I am NOT looking forward to the racist pieces of shit who will go on and on now about “SEE! Democrats won’t even let you pick a candidate, they have to shove their DEI applicant down our throats!”

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            That aspect is going to be ugly, but I don’t worry that it will affect the results too much. The hardcore racist sexist folk never voted Dem anyway.

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              Yup. If that’s the worst they got, she’s in a pretty good place. Not like we haven’t heard it all before.

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        I could see how nominating Harris this way could run people the wrong way, and both she and the DNC should vow to run a full and fair primary for the 2028 Presidential Elections. As in, treating Harris as if that would be the end of her second term (but still allowing her to run for nomination).

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        Many people are saying it - Is Trump too old for the Presidency? I hear it all the time from fine folks. Shouldn’t we answer these folks? All we need to see if the birth certificate. Maybe Trump is younger then actually says. We don’t know. Many people asking questions.

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      The Nikki Haley PAC donated to Harris as soon as it was announced

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    The racist rapist, Dementia Don with 34 felonies needs to drop out, he’s too old and can’t even complete a coherent sentence.

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        Hasn’t had any prison sentences to complete yet. Dude is like Teflon. He’s just a toxin that builds up everywhere, can’t be destroyed, and causes cancer.

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          Karma bats 1000, he’ll get his. I bet he’s having a real hard time sleeping knowing that if he doesn’t win, he’s very likely going to fucking jail. The ploy to get Biden to drop out seems to have backfired massively on him too.

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    Yeah, these ads almost write themselves. Show clips of right-wingers describing Biden as old and senile, then splice in clips of Trump rambling incoherently. The entire Trump campaign has been built around attacking Biden, so there will probably be a lot of tangential benefits of switching to Harris.

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    Like CNN is ever going to mention trumps age or any doubts about his mental capacity. They were bought out years ago.

    If you ever hear a right winger whine about CNN smack them in the face for being so ungrateful. They carry trump water all day, every day.

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      Shit, NPR made a noticeable shift rightward during (and since) Trump’s presidency due to some perception of having a liberal bias for simply stating the factual news.

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        I think it really depends on your station. I noticed a pretty big whiplash effect sometime around 2018 where they started really pushing back on pro-Trump guests in a way which they hadn’t done previously. Recently they seem to actually be pulling fewer punches, straight up calling Trump out for telling lies (rather than just “mistruths” or “dishonesty”). This morning they called out a Trump SEC appointee who was questioning if Harris could inherit Biden’s money. They seem to go back and forth depending on what specifically is in the news cycle.

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      They need an external enemy to hate. CNN and the rest of the “mainstream media” is one of those. They could grant Trump whatever he wanted, and they would still attack because that is CNN’s only purpose in their headspace.

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    If there’s anyway to convince him not to run that’d be wonderful. There are many Maga folks that emulate him but I don’t think they’re nearly as likely to be able to actually pull off a coup.

    Granted, it’s a fucking long shot that he’d listen to anyone.

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    Well, many people are saying it, not just Democrats. Just the other day, the biggest manliest Republican ran up to me with tears streaming down his face, and he fell on his knees, and he said “Sir, sir! Our orange god-emperor is actually very very old and in obvious mental decline! He needs to drop out right now!”

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    I kind of fear what comes next after Trump (he is old and I can’t imagine him serving a full term).

    1. Can Trump transfer his cult to a successor with a mere endorsement and forever continue a cycle of scrambling to vote for this “last” democrat.
    2. His cult fizzles out and the Republican party splits support over multiple candidates.
    3. A person like DeSantis (less of a narcisstic idiot and more a true representive of Republican hatred) takes over and is worse than Trump.
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      He will never willingly let go of his control over his base. Trump doesn’t give a single fuck about the MAGA movement beyond the fact that it is his own personal army of zombie sycophants.

      His followers may be dogmatic about MAGA, but I can assure you that Trump himself is not. If he dropped dead tomorrow MAGA would instantaneously begin fizzling out, and it would fracture the Republican party.

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        The greatest gift trump could ever giver america is, when he loses the nomination in 2028, to run as a third party candidate. Hopefully he never lets go of his base.

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          Hopefully before he dies he convinces his base to give themselves the Heavens Gate treatment so they can catch the golden limousine to hell right along with him.

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      Based on what my true-crime cult obsessed friend has said on the matter, option 2 is probably the most likely; though the party at large will always rally behind whoever the nominee is, because that’s how Republicans operate.

      DeSantis already tried to court the cult of Trump, and he failed because these cults of personality are entirely fixed around their leader. As my buddy described it, it’s not like a hydra where you can cut the head off and the cult keeps going. Once the leader is gone, they fizzle out. Even in the case of endorsing a successor, I can’t imagine the group having the same kind of following for the same reason - without Trump, the Flavor-Aid sours. There will be new leaders, but they’ll have to work to sway the core voters in the way that Trump has. And the Flavor-Aid is a perfect metaphor, because Trump sounds exactly like Jim Jones according to my friend.

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        This is the first time in the wild that I have seen someone correctly mention “Flavor-Aid” instead of “Kool-Aid” in reference to Jim Jones.

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        If anything, after Trump, he’ll be revered within the Republican party for years like Reagan was. WWTD “What Would Trump Do?” will become their new litmus test for whether a candidate is worthy or not. Republicans will try to show off their credentials of how aligned they were to “Trump’s values”.

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        That makes alot of sense. However, I’m worried the Republicans reliaze there are better candidates that represent “their morals”. So maybe not DeSantis but someone closer. They also will have to vote for someone.

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      Cults of personality are never quite the same once the big personality passes. They tend to fragment, shrink, or otherwise fade away. Members may join other high control organizations, but they won’t be united.

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        Depends… If he can successfully set up a family dynasty (would probably be Ivanka and Jared he passed it on to if we’re being honest), and he stayed in office until he died before passing the torch (or perhaps even stepped back as an “elder statesman” for the last few years of his death so he can work on transitioning Donald Trump diehards into Trump diehards), I could see them making this work.

        These people are in deep, and most of them will do anything he tells them to do.

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      Can Trump transfer his cult to a successor with a mere endorsement and forever continue a cycle of scrambling to vote for this “last” democrat.

      Trump cares about not going to jail and Trump in approximately equal amounts. No way he lets someone else take the wheel. If he somehow became president again he’d start looking at repealing the 22nd before he’d endorse anyone else.

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      Trump has none of the admirable qualities of someone who’s overcome a mental disability. He oozes neurotypical privilege.

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        I know, I didn’t let the media sway me into believing he was some genius charismatic dictator. I just think the man keeps failing upwards but his time is running out.

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        I mean… is extreme malignant narcissism considered neurotypical?

        I kind of hope not.

        He oozes wealth privilege (even if he doesn’t have much left). Allows him to behave however he pleases.

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          He doesn’t have extreme narcissism. That’s a social disability. Does Trump look like his social faculties are impaired to you? His cognitive faculties are because of his dementia, but he’s as charismatic as anyone, much as I hate to admit it. He’s neurotypical.

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      I can’t see Trump being the sort to try to build something beyond himself. I don’t think he could see the point of trying to cultivate a successor; and even if he did, I think he would see them as potential competition - he’d likely try to sabotage them, if anything.

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      1. If he passes it on to another shameless racist schoolyard bully con man, but really nobody matches up.
      2. If they were going to split, Donald should have been the limit. Actually, all Repubs will fall in line and vote for whomever their core voting base (far-right racists) wants. Their voting base just won’t be as fired up.
      3. Desantis doesn’t behave like a clown to get free airtime from all the networks. When he does get airtime, it’s for backfiring stunts like giving immigrants free vacations to Martha’s Vineyard with taxpayer money. IDK if that’s a winning strategy.
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        Yeah, the longest lasting fascist country was spain which collapsed into a republic with the death of Francisco Franco.

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    Oh… it’s mocking when Dems do it…

    Why isn’t it just behavioural parity?

    Are both sides not allowed to behave the same? Be equal?

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      The very same media keeps asking democrats to go more to the right to act the moderate / centrist role, why isn’t that any good when they copy this from Republicans? /s

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      Are both sides not allowed to behave the same? Be equal?

      No, because democratic voters at least occasionally have principles.

      I get what you’re saying here, but if Dems start acting “equivalently” to Republicans we’re gonna have a real big, serious problem.

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        To an extent, I say it’s about time you do.

        Not with policy or law breaking. Not that crazy shit.

        But rhetorically. Imho it’s time for American Dems to stop playing so nice…

        The evidence is all available online. If you support trump for office you want a king.

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        I’m not asking Dems to break the rules. I would like Dems to treat the left as actual partners and take their policy seriously, instead of “we need those people to shut up or Republicans are going to burn down everything”. Republicans do not do that with their own reactionaries. They mine them for ideas and find ways to implement those policies through a long game.

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          Now that is a stance I can get behind. That’s just not the initial impression that’s given from the statement “we should start acting like the Republicans do”.

          Thanks for the clarification.

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        We already have a real big, serious problem.

        Though I agree, dropping to their level just let’s them go lower.

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          Imho it does nothing.

          No dropping or raising of the level from dema has affected maga discourse in the least.

          They will do the exact same shit. We have had too many years to learn that lesson now.

          Either smack back (rhetorically) or they will just make up something anyway.

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          They go lower regardless. “When they go low, we go high!” has become “alright guys, they’re putting trans people in the showers, but at least we played by the rules! It’s important that everyone had fun!”

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      That’s the point of Trump’s leadership style. Things aren’t equal. There are rules for other people, but they don’t affect him though. Hypocrisy among his flock is a virtue. It shows they will all reward each other.

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      Kamala would be over 65 by term 2’s end. I think 70 is a good number but honestly I overwhelmingly agree with the sentiment. Make the max age lower and the right candidates will “magically” appear. The pecking order today sadly includes people in their 60s and 70s because we almost never elect different people for house/senate.

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        we almost never elect different people for house/senate.

        Which is because of how we pick committee positions. People with longer tenures get better spots.